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SYSTEM-J
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Registered: Sep 2003
Location: Manchester

quote:
Originally posted by PETRAN
Dance 2 Trance- "Moon Spirits" (wow...probably the first trance album..)


Never heard it, but you did remind me of another good one:

Jam & Spoon - Tripomatic Fairytales 2001

quote:
And some that they are not 100% trance but related...

Orbital- "Brown Album"
F.S.O.L- "Lifeforms"


I wouldn't say these two have anything to do with trance, unless you want to call Halcyon trance (which it isn't really). Don't get me wrong- two brilliant records (as are most of the others you posted), but I hate it when these threads just turn into "My favourite electronic albums because I can't think of any more trance ones". It ain't helpful.


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PETRAN
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Registered: Feb 2004
Location: Volos, Greece

quote:
wouldn't say these two have anything to do with trance, unless you want to call Halcyon trance (which it isn't really). Don't get me wrong- two brilliant records (as are most of the others you posted), but I hate it when these threads just turn into "My favourite electronic albums because I can't think of any more trance ones". It ain't helpful.



Whhaaattttt?!?!!?!?Ok , lol maybe you are right about F.S.O.L (although i would def. say that the title-track is psy-trance!) But
"brown album"...oh mate...this is the tranciest (or most trancey?)by orbital...i mean... lush 3.1?!?With the epic lead-line?This sounds like what oakenfold was playing in 98-99!What about lush 3.2? It's pure psy-trance!What about "remind"?This is even more pure acid-edged psy-trance!!!And you said about halcyon?This sounds like what chicane were doing in the end of the 90s!And "impact"???Ok this sounds more like detroit techno...lol ok i told you not the whole album is "trance" nor can be classified as "pure trance" but it is MOSTLY trance.An "intelligent" type of trance i would say...It is "trancier" than the BT albums FFS!!!

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SYSTEM-J
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Bollocks. Almost the entire thing is breakbeat for the most part. It may sound a bit trancey in parts, but it sounds a lot more like techno in just about every part. There's also no evidence of trance structuring- all there is are some trancey sounds in a very dense album. Orbital are not a trance act and Brown Album has nothing to do with trance.


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RapidFire
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quote:
Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
For that matter Ima sounds little like any other trance record out there... there's some very strong house tones in there. And Intensify by WOW is a house record, surely?


Ima definetly leans on the dream house side.

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PETRAN
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quote:
Bollocks. Almost the entire thing is breakbeat for the most part. It may sound a bit trancey in parts, but it sounds a lot more like techno in just about every part. There's also no evidence of trance structuring- all there is are some trancey sounds in a very dense album. Orbital are not a trance act and Brown Album has nothing to do with trance.


I don't agree with you and you are a noob!lol. Probably YOU HAVEN'T HEARD THE CURRENT ALBUM and you are judging by other orbital albums.First of all...the only tune that has a break-beat rhythm is "impact"-the earth is burning"...(ALL THE OTHERS ARE GROUNDED ON 4/4).Second orbital are no break-beat but IDM in the broader sense anyway...Third you haven't heard the tunes i'm sure about that...FFS Lush 3.1 and 3.2 are PURE trance what the hell listen mate!!!!Lush 3.1 has an epic style simple lead-line a sequenced arpeggiating sound all over it a hypnotic rhytmh...Lush 3.2 is PURE early 90s psy-trance with the dark hypnotic repeatitive sounds and "remind" sounds like a "total eclipse" production rather than an orbital one(heavily arpeggiating sequened sounds and acid arpeggiations).Impact and planet of the shapes are indeed techno and monday is a house tune. END!!!

A free definition of trance could be mid-paced to fast 4/4 rhythmhs accompanied by heavily sequenced arpeggiating bass-lines and a strong melodic element(s), usually ambient pads and/or a clear lead-line which in turn could be continuous or gated. This is a good abstraction of trance and describes most forms of trance form classical stuff to psy to melodic to modern ASOT stuff although of course its ill-defined(its music , not tables!). Orbital are no trance they are IDM but had a strong "trance" element in the beginning of their career. They used to play in trance events anyway back in 92-93!!!Cheers.

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SYSTEM-J
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quote:
Originally posted by RapidFire
Ima definetly leans on the dream house side.


Dream house eh? Not heard that before. I'm also interested as to what exactly "epic house" was. I've read that BT and Sasha were its figureheads in the 90s, but what the hell does it sound like? Are we talking about Sasha's fifteen minute atmospheric epics here?


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PETRAN
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quote:
Dream house eh? Not heard that before.



That certifys my statements he he.Dream-house or dream-trance or dream-sound was a short lived sub-genre that existed in the mid-90s.The sound was heavily influenced by robert miles productions and probably the whole genre was his child. The sound was known for its strong melodic aspects such as pianos, all kinds of chords and maybe violins.It was "classicistic" in sounding. Famous compilations were the "dream-masters" series (1-2-3 search them they were very good).The sub-genre was finally dissolved or was rather integrated into/with mainstream trance and led to the birth of the melodic EPIC TRANCE sound of 97-98-99!!!(which still haunts us till this day!)

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SYSTEM-J
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quote:
Originally posted by PETRAN
I don't agree with you and you are a noob!lol. Probably YOU HAVEN'T HEARD THE CURRENT ALBUM and you are judging by other orbital albums.First of all...the only tune that has a break-beat rhythm is "impact"-the earth is burning"...(ALL THE OTHERS ARE GROUNDED ON 4/4).Second orbital are no break-beat but IDM in the broader sense anyway...Third you haven't heard the tunes i'm sure about that...FFS Lush 3.1 and 3.2 are PURE trance what the hell listen mate!!!!Lush 3.1 has an epic style simple lead-line a sequenced arpeggiating sound all over it a hypnotic rhytmh...Lush 3.2 is PURE early 90s psy-trance with the dark hypnotic repeatitive sounds and "remind" sounds like a "total eclipse" production rather than an orbital one(heavily arpeggiating sequened sounds and acid arpeggiations).Impact and planet of the shapes are indeed techno and monday is a house tune. END!!!


Stop being a stupid twat. I own... seven Orbital albums, which are:

Green
Brown
Snivilisation
In Sides
Middle of Nowhere
Work 1989-2002
Blue

So fuck off with your "noob" bollocks. Brown is one of my all time favourite albums.

And I don't give a shit about your rambled, horribly written crap about what you think trance is. When you say "grounded in 4/4" I assume you mean four-on-the-floor, which is a beat where the kick hits on every beat on every bar. Which it does not on most of Brown. They wander all over the place, and the snares are even less regular. Just because it's not all set to an Amen reconstruction doesn't mean it's four on the floor.

If Orbital are IDM and not breaks (I never said they were breaks, I said they used breakbeats), then they aren't fucking trance. Gun-foot-aim-fire.

Your argument is shite. You compare them to trance records written years afterwards by people who have nothing to do with Orbital. You can find trancey sounds in there if you look. However, you can find a lot of sounds that go back to old-skool rave and acid house (which is where Orbital emerged from- the UK rave scene, not the bloody German trance scene) and a hell of a lot of techno sounds. There's ambient in there... there are all sorts of influences.

quote:
Originally posted by PETRAN
That certifys my statements he he.Dream-house or dream-trance or dream-sound was a short lived sub-genre that existed in the mid-90s.The sound was heavily influenced by robert miles productions and probably the whole genre was his child. The sound was known for its strong melodic aspects such as pianos, all kinds of chords and maybe violins.It was "classicistic" in sounding. Famous compilations were the "dream-masters" series (1-2-3 search them they were very good).The sub-genre was finally dissolved or was rather integrated into/with mainstream trance and led to the birth of the melodic EPIC TRANCE sound of 97-98-99!!!(which still haunts us till this day!)


Note how I emphasised "house". I know what dream trance is, but I've never heard of a house equivalent.


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Chicane FFTMC, BTS
Ayla Nirwana
ATB Movin' Melodies
Safri Duo 3.0
York Peace
Schiller Weltreise (Voyage), Leben (Life)
Vibrasphere Archipelago
Salt Tank Science and Nature
Probspot Organic Waveforms
Mirco De Govia Chronoscale
BT Ima, ESCM
Robert Miles Dreamland
Art Of Trance Wildlife On One
Soul Surfer Surfers Paradise
Man With No Name Earth Moving The Sun

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PETRAN
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quote:
Note how I emphasised "house". I know what dream trance is, but I've never heard of a house equivalent.


It's the same...


quote:
And I don't give a shit about your rambled, horribly written crap about what you think trance is. When you say "grounded in 4/4" I assume you mean four-on-the-floor, which is a beat where the kick hits on every beat on every bar. Which it does not on most of Brown


Oh man you have serious mental deficits...MOST of the album is based in a 4/4 kick (yes this is four-to-the-floor it is written as 4/4 you know...)even if you like it or not THIS IS TEH FUCKING TRUTH!!!!LOL!!!Now...i'm not saying that orbital are trance, that's what i've said in the beginning. They are IDM (although IDM is a broad ghost genre to descrive EVERYTHING that is slightly different from the normal or the mainstream)but they had many trance elements in the beginning of their career even if you like it or even if you don't!!! The fact that they were british and not german doesn't say anything at all...in a matter of fact its really stupid...


I find my definition of trance just fine. You consider it as "ramble" and horribly written. Fine.Find a better one.Also i'm not a native english speaker and i'm trying to give a definiton.You are probably an english chav with no clue or knowledge of any other language or anything or whatsoever.If you had you would know how difficult it is, especially in this level. Sorry.

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Resistance D - The Best Of...
Om - Instant Enlightenment
Blue Planet Corporation - Blue Planet
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Juno Reactor - Bible Of Dreams


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Re: Favorite Trance Albums?

quote:
Originally posted by Caleb
what are some of your favorite trance albums?

im going on a buying spree, and i know TA would know whati should get.


well first off, start by telling us how much you are willing to spend

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