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Originally posted by ivanbee anything over 1k/month on rent is throwing your money away. just a buy a house

I was looking into buying a house with a few people.
Unless you are putting $100k + down - your mortgage payment will be over $3k (including taxes)...

$500-600k mortgage will come to ~$4k per month with no money down...

I remember when I was in middle school in Denver, Colorado -- my mom bought a brand new 4br 2.5 bath house for 135k... it sucks hard that the average person cannot afford to buy a home in this area...

Last edited by diskodave on Jul-12-2006 at 16:53

IF your willing to make the commute its worth it to buy a house outside of SF if your going to pay 2k a month....2k a month will buy you a nice condo or small house outside of SF for that amount, BUT if you don't have the credit or job to do so, then I guess its doesn't matter this at this time

50 year mortgage FTW!

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Originally posted by diskodave I was looking into buying a house with a few people. Unless you are putting $100k + down - your mortgage payment will be over $3k (including taxes)... $500-600k mortgage will come to ~$4k per month with no money down... I remember when I was in middle school in Denver, Colorado -- my mom bought a brand new 4br 2.5 bath house for 135k... it sucks hard that the average person cannot afford to buy a home in this area...

Back in 1993 my parents had a house built for $128k in Orlando ($113 was the baseline, $15k in extras). The builders built the same model house starting at almost $1 million in Southern California. Just tells you how rediculous it is out here.

Dave

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Originally posted by ivanbee 50 year mortgage FTW!

the long term fixed rates are actually going to be the same price soon if the rates keep going the way they are.

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Originally posted by bas Dual exhaust tips on dual exhaust = QUAD EXHAUST = 300 gain in horsepower. Duh

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Originally posted by bas Undies with a dickhole aren't good for guys. Your balls can get caught in them. That's why I prefer to go over the gate instead of through the fence.

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Originally posted by ninetyninej you can't buy a house in the city for 1k/mo or 2k/mo. the prices to buy a house or condo inside the city are so high that a mortgage payment with taxes and insurance would be a minimum of 3k/mo for bottom barrel. at any rate, i plan on moving to east bay by the end of the year and we plan on renting a house not just because its cheaper than buying but the fact that homes are just sitting on the market and will eventually come down in price.

exactly why option arms are so popular. its too bad that almost all of them are living outside of their means that is the reason they need an option arm

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Originally posted by bas Dual exhaust tips on dual exhaust = QUAD EXHAUST = 300 gain in horsepower. Duh

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Originally posted by bas Undies with a dickhole aren't good for guys. Your balls can get caught in them. That's why I prefer to go over the gate instead of through the fence.

I know very little about the EDM scene in SF.

What style is most popular in SF?

tribal? dark tribal?
progressive house?
melodic trance
dark trance?
breakbeats?
Psy trance?
Chill?
Other various forms of house music?

I'm curious to know myself.

In NYC, tribal house seems big.

I'd love to know what SF specializes in in way of EDM.

Although EDM is still very underground in North America, I've noticed this past year that the underground scene is growing (I still want EDM to remain underground).

Take care all.

Well if you come to SF your gonna love it here, there's a great EDM scene here. Good luck, btw what kinda area would you like to live in characteristics, demographics & so forth.

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In the late 1990s, 2000, 1st half 2001, EDM wasn't really underground. Clubs everywhere (at least here) were stupid packed on any night no matter who played. Remember when Ten15 would have lines in both directions at least a block long. People at work who never listend to EDM were suddenly knowing about the DJs, tracks, etc. Was insane.

As far as SF, no doubt house rules here. SF own distinctive type of house that is. Think Mark Farina, Miguel Migs, or Kaskade. All natives of here.

But that type of house is typically found in the million smaller clubs throughout the city.

The bigger clubs don't really have a focus these days as the scene is still recovering.

Ten15 on Friday nights is constantly mixing it up. You can find house, trance, breaks, and even hip-hop from time to time in the main room. The front room is generally hip hop, upstairs more house...except on special nights. The new basement plays Top 40 I think, but I could be wrong. I just know it was the initial plan. Saturday nights at Ten15 are typially trance or progressive in the main room, hip-hip in the front room, house upstairs, and the same new stuff in the basement. Ten15 will always be my second home. I might not agree with a lot of the stuff that has gone on there, but will always have mad respect for the place. Not too fond with the focus on local stuff, though. But it's business.

Ruby Skye is all over the place, too. While it's progressive or a bit of tribal most of the time, it's now the home to the vast majority of major trance DJs that come through too, though still not a whole lot. Trance nights are usually on Fridays as they are usually Spundae events. Spundae also throws a lot of progressive nights at Ruby, too. When Spundae isn't involved, it's typically plain ole Remedy doing stuff with house. Saturday nights can be a mix too between House, Tribal, and sometimes Trance too (Christopher Lawrence).

Ruby Skye has been having a lot of amazing Thursday, Sunday, or other ran night parties too...Spundae has brought in a few major DJs on non-regular nights and all have turned out to be amazing nights. Great vibes.

There's Mezzanine which has tried to be a player in the major club scene around here, too. It has some major faults which has pushed some of the major promoters away. I love the underground feel of the club. But the DJ setup is just rediculous. In the beginning it was a makeshift plywood setup that vibrated all too hell and was uncomfortable. now they have a perminant stage that's in the corner but the acoustics with the setup are just bad, IMO. DJs don't really like either setup. If they had a damn solid DJ booth setup in the original position the place would be much better for DJ acts. Despite all that, there are still some great events that happen there from time to time. Lee Burridge plays there (Spundae, Satellite SF event) at a pre-LoveFest party on September 22. Same party happened last year the night before Love Parade and it was amazing!!! Mezzanine these days usually handles concerts more than DJ gigs.

There's also Mighty which is a great intimate venue. I love the place. Wish the sound was better. But some AMAZING nights. James Zabiela. Gabriel & Dresden. Armin van Buuren + G&D (free party...was amazing!). MarcoV. It's a smaller joint, but I love the feel of it.

There's the small lounge ANU that's mainly known for its Satellite nights on Wednesday nights from 10pm-2am. A TON of mid-major prog DJs play there because the scene here is just real tough and no promoters will take chances on the DJs at huge venues. Think James Holden, Dave Seaman, James Lavelle, Demi, Poalo Mojo, and tons tons more. The venue is not my cup of tea so I don't really ever go, but I cannot deny the amazing talent that goes through there.

If you want an after-work shindig to go to, there's the infamous, long running Qool party at 111 Minna on Wednesday nights from 5pm-10pm.

Then there's the underground shit. LOTs of underground parties here. Just have to get to know people who know about them. I typically don't really go to them because I just never really feel it. Have an old roommate who would do security at them like every weekend so they are around. Just have to look.

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Originally posted by DaveT In the late 1990s, 2000, 1st half 2001, EDM wasn't really underground. Clubs everywhere (at least here) were stupid packed on any night no matter who played. Remember when Ten15 would have lines in both directions at least a block long. People at work who never listend to EDM were suddenly knowing about the DJs, tracks, etc. Was insane. As far as SF, no doubt house rules here. SF own distinctive type of house that is. Think Mark Farina, Miguel Migs, or Kaskade. All natives of here. But that type of house is typically found in the million smaller clubs throughout the city. The bigger clubs don't really have a focus these days as the scene is still recovering. Ten15 on Friday nights is constantly mixing it up. You can find house, trance, breaks, and even hip-hop from time to time in the main room. The front room is generally hip hop, upstairs more house...except on special nights. The new basement plays Top 40 I think, but I could be wrong. I just know it was the initial plan. Saturday nights at Ten15 are typially trance or progressive in the main room, hip-hip in the front room, house upstairs, and the same new stuff in the basement. Ten15 will always be my second home. I might not agree with a lot of the stuff that has gone on there, but will always have mad respect for the place. Not too fond with the focus on local stuff, though. But it's business. Ruby Skye is all over the place, too. While it's progressive or a bit of tribal most of the time, it's now the home to the vast majority of major trance DJs that come through too, though still not a whole lot. Trance nights are usually on Fridays as they are usually Spundae events. Spundae also throws a lot of progressive nights at Ruby, too. When Spundae isn't involved, it's typically plain ole Remedy doing stuff with house. Saturday nights can be a mix too between House, Tribal, and sometimes Trance too (Christopher Lawrence). Ruby Skye has been having a lot of amazing Thursday, Sunday, or other ran night parties too...Spundae has brought in a few major DJs on non-regular nights and all have turned out to be amazing nights. Great vibes. There's Mezzanine which has tried to be a player in the major club scene around here, too. It has some major faults which has pushed some of the major promoters away. I love the underground feel of the club. But the DJ setup is just rediculous. In the beginning it was a makeshift plywood setup that vibrated all too hell and was uncomfortable. now they have a perminant stage that's in the corner but the acoustics with the setup are just bad, IMO. DJs don't really like either setup. If they had a damn solid DJ booth setup in the original position the place would be much better for DJ acts. Despite all that, there are still some great events that happen there from time to time. Lee Burridge plays there (Spundae, Satellite SF event) at a pre-LoveFest party on September 22. Same party happened last year the night before Love Parade and it was amazing!!! Mezzanine these days usually handles concerts more than DJ gigs. There's also Mighty which is a great intimate venue. I love the place. Wish the sound was better. But some AMAZING nights. James Zabiela. Gabriel & Dresden. Armin van Buuren + G&D (free party...was amazing!). MarcoV. It's a smaller joint, but I love the feel of it. There's the small lounge ANU that's mainly known for its Satellite nights on Wednesday nights from 10pm-2am. A TON of mid-major prog DJs play there because the scene here is just real tough and no promoters will take chances on the DJs at huge venues. Think James Holden, Dave Seaman, James Lavelle, Demi, Poalo Mojo, and tons tons more. The venue is not my cup of tea so I don't really ever go, but I cannot deny the amazing talent that goes through there. If you want an after-work shindig to go to, there's the infamous, long running Qool party at 111 Minna on Wednesday nights from 5pm-10pm. Then there's the underground shit. LOTs of underground parties here. Just have to get to know people who know about them. I typically don't really go to them because I just never really feel it. Have an old roommate who would do security at them like every weekend so they are around. Just have to look.

Dave= EDM 411 for SF

Thanks for the info Dave.

I will be moving up to Oakland at the end of August for grad school so it's nice to know what goes on in SF.

I will be living in the dorms so I'll be saving some money on rent and utilities.