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MKpacha
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That time of the month, MKPacha?



lol Dima, im actually starting to like u


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I certainly agree that a tendancy towards common marijuana usage would definitely correlate to an increase in the experimentation with other substances; however, I don't think the line is drawn always towards the vile and dangerous substances - hell, Marijuana usage also leads people to incredibly beneficial and powerful substances like Mushrooms, Peyote, LSD, DMT, Ayuhuasca, Salvia, etc... I can't disagree with the gateway theory, but it's not always a gateway to "puuuuuure eeeeeeeeevil!", it's simply a doorway to realms. However, if cannibis does indeed impact the brains ability to reach reward states, or happiness, then there is no doubt that the easiest of the pleasure-inducers, Heroin and Cocaine being the mainstays, will be the path most walked. Mushrooms and the like, though they lead to more enduring, more inspiring and full-bodied happiness, are much more difficult to manage. This is a society of "path of least resistance" after all.


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Cosmic Fur
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Originally posted by MKpacha
lol Dima, im actually starting to like u


Damn.


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Re: Re: Re: Re: Pot may indeed lead to heroin use, rat study shows

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not meant to be harsh at all, sorry. I just saw him to be more intellegent... this article is just plain dumb.


If you "saw him to be more intellegent" then why did you say "dont make yourself sound more stupid"

lol, in any case, relax, it's just an article. He never said he agreed with it, he was just sharing a piece of text he found interesting, it's a neutral action.

I personally find it to be rubbish.


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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Pot may indeed lead to heroin use, rat study shows

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If you "saw him to be more intellegent" then why did you say "dont make yourself sound more stupid"

lol, in any case, relax, it's just an article. He never said he agreed with it, he was just sharing a piece of text he found interesting, it's a neutral action.

I personally find it to be rubbish.



pwned.

its not like he said her mother was dirty and gave him stinkdink!?

apparently, that one flew under the radar - lmao


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pwned.

its not like he said her mother was dirty and gave him stinkdink!?

apparently, that one flew under the radar - lmao




da dip.




hey jon, sorry dude.


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da stink dip.


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Moral Hazard
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When I read the title I got this great little image of a rat sitting in a low rent appartment with no furniture other then a urine stained mattress cooking up over a candle. I'll be laughing at that all day.


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MarkT
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omg please LOL this is so past retarded I don't even know where to start...


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the study itself is fine, IMHO, but the application to humans is absurd.

1. You can extrapoloate PHYSIOLOGICAL comparisons with rats...but human beings can REASON to a far greater depth. i.e. a teen or adult can more readily differentiate between the dangers of heroin use over pot...the social stigma...cost...etc.

2. Availability. Heroin isn't *nearly* as readily available as pot. So, unless we afix a catheter of heroin to people, or otherwise make it as readily available as pot (actually, moreso in this study since the rats were periodically given pot, while they could self-administer heroin WHENEVER THEY WANTED), and reduce stocial stigma, etc. etc. then the application of the results is seriously flawed.

Both of those points don't invalidate the study's results themselves...just the absurd application re: the "gateway drug" label put on pot.

All this shows is that from pot use, you MAY respond more positively IF you then use heroin. It demonstrates NOTHING with regard to pot being a "gateway drug" in the sense that opponents of pot claim that people will then move on to other drugs once they've tried pot.

I smoke pot. You don't. IF we both try heroin, I'll probably like and use it more.

so what? it does NOT follow that because I smoke pot, that I am more likely to use heroin than someone who doesn't smoke pot.

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StereoPrincess
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i hate when reputable journals fall to the pressures of conservative society and publish shit like this.

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does anybody know where i can find some methadone?


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neuromancer
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Registered: Nov 2005
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talking about rats there is this little experiment that i like to remind to my druggie friends .

- basically they hook an electrode to a pleasure center in the rat's brain and everytime the rats push a button a device sends an stimulus to the pleasure center. you know what happens ehh .. the rat dies pushing the button, nothing else is important anymore..

here is a link to a couple of videos of rat experiments:

The Electrical Stimulation of Brain Pleasure Centers (videoclips of Experiments )


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