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Originally posted by spdandpwr this reminds me of immanuel kant...we are given enough freedom in america to think that we are free however in reality we are merely a smaller sphere with a larger sphere of government authority... furthermore, some people are so pre-occupied with getting rich that they are blinded and neglect the grand scheme of things. I think the 2012 seems like an appropriate date for the end of world...especially considering the way things are going.

Yes, like every capitalistic society people don't see the way things really work.

I just saw it yesterday. It's playing in selected theaters at Austin right now. A very informative and well done documentary. Although, I was already quite familiar with a bulk of the material, especially the bit on the Federal Reserve, but didn't know that income tax was ILLEGAL and that the IRS is a completely tyrannical and fraudulent institution.

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The Income tax WAS illegal until the 17th amendment was ratified on February 3, 1913. Its states that "Congress shall have the power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several states, and without regard to any census or enumeration."

So the Income tax is legal =(

so if income tax would be illigal, we basically will go back to the stone age, with no roads, infrastructure, hospitals, schools, cops, firefighters

taxes are here to stay, if they will prove that they are infact illigal, which is i doubt that they are, then the gov't will make it their number one priority to make taxes legal.

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Originally posted by Jive_Turkey The Income tax WAS illegal until the 17th amendment was ratified on February 3, 1913. Its states that "Congress shall have the power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several states, and without regard to any census or enumeration." So the Income tax is legal =(

The Constitution is the set of laws that the government must adhere to.

The US Code is the set of laws that the citizens of the US must adhere to.

There's a BIG difference, and the laws regarding taxes that we've been led to believe we owe are NOT in the US Code (see http://uscode.house.gov and look up Title 26).

Also, the Supreme Court has made rulings stating that the 16th Amendment did not change Congress' authority to collect taxes.

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