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Originally posted by Frenchie Although I totally understand your point Theresa, yes they work long shifts and they have a demanding job, it's all true and I have alot of respect for Dr.s, but to actually leave equipment in people...is a little more then just, " I worked a 14 hrs shift and im tired". They shouldn't be working that long if this is what happens, and YES there is a shortage of DR.s, but regardless.... stuff like this gives respected DR.s a bad name weather they have done it or not.

I agree with you here Tricia. Leaving things in people is a lot bigger deal than just..."Oh I fucked up that sale." I'm sure leaving things in a person is able to cause serious dangers and possibly death in some occasions. Good thing it hasn't happened yet, but do we really want to wait for that to happen?

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wow you guys have no clue.

No doctor wants to work 12 to 24h, actually no one wants to workt those kind of shifts.

Hospitals are understaffed and its not unheard of to have only one specialist in the whole hospital. Plus many emergencies happen, so he can't just leave and come back the next day.

Or how about you just got home from a 18h shift, you get barely 2h of sleep before they call you back because the patient needs an urgent operation or he dies.

Thanks to our federal govt who cut provincial transfers in the 90s (and never restored them), provinces had to cut back on service and send thousands of doctors and nurses to retirement.

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well its one thing to leave sponges, and another to leave metal tools.

And yea there's a serious lack of surgeons in most hospitals. Do they just not want to pay? wtf man. People are dying

It's not just the Doctor's fault for leaving things in bodies. It's the nurses, students, and all the assistants working in the room that are watching. They all could have spotted it in most cases.

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Originally posted by Abercrombie It's not just the Doctor's fault for leaving things in bodies. It's the nurses, students, and all the assistants working in the room that are watching. They all could have spotted it in most cases.

Good point AJ. These people are supposed to be working as a medical TEAM. Just b/c the Dr. is the one doing the main work doesn't mean the other people shouldn't be paying attn to what's going on.

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having cancerous tumor removed > having small sponge left in

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Originally posted by dallastar OMG I saw something about this on TLC, I was appauled at the doctors clumpsy acts, and for a "Trained" PhD!! They seem to be ONLY trained to drop shit as it seems. I thank god that nothing was left in my body that couple of times I had surgery! THANK GOD!!!!!!!!

in their defence... they are still human beings and as we all know, no one is perfect.

also.. surgical spunges get pushed deep inside.. i can see how it is possible for one to be hidden from view and missed.

I would like to really add my opinion here.

This is such a great idea. This is technology at it's best! Thank you geeks that designed these wireless things.

As for all your other comments here. You people really really really have no clue at all.

I did a co-op in the operating room in highschool and you seriously don't realize what you are talking about.

When a person comes in from a major car accident, you can't tell the guys ass from his face. His guts are hanging out, his heart is about to stop. THIS is stress, you really think that a little sponge is going to be the biggest concern for a doctor!? They are saving lives here people.

I once witnessed the most horrifying thing (this is why I am not a doctor right now). A woman came in for an emergency C-section. The nurses prepared a floor mat in the corner about 8 by 8 feet. By the end of the surgery, there was between 50 and 60 rags soaked with blood. And these weren't little sponges but giant rags. So much blood and such a mess. They counted all of these continuously and kept count of how many are being used. They really are doing good work. It was well organized but I can see if you are holding some guys heart in your hand while you are sowing there bladder back into there body, you may forget about a sponge. This technology is amazing!

^^^ You bring up a good point Margs. A lot of us haven't had the oppurtunity like you have to get a look at how a doctor's day goes and how stressful it may be and thus we make assumptions. Thanks for sharing.

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Originally posted by StereoPrincess I would like to really add my opinion here. This is such a great idea. This is technology at it's best! Thank you geeks that designed these wireless things. As for all your other comments here. You people really really really have no clue at all. I did a co-op in the operating room in highschool and you seriously don't realize what you are talking about. When a person comes in from a major car accident, you can't tell the guys ass from his face. His guts are hanging out, his heart is about to stop. THIS is stress, you really think that a little sponge is going to be the biggest concern for a doctor!? They are saving lives here people. I once witnessed the most horrifying thing (this is why I am not a doctor right now). A woman came in for an emergency C-section. The nurses prepared a floor mat in the corner about 8 by 8 feet. By the end of the surgery, there was between 50 and 60 rags soaked with blood. And these weren't little sponges but giant rags. So much blood and such a mess. They counted all of these continuously and kept count of how many are being used. They really are doing good work. It was well organized but I can see if you are holding some guys heart in your hand while you are sowing there bladder back into there body, you may forget about a sponge. This technology is amazing!

WOW! I knew u would have some VALID input ~ this is for you
have a good day and YEAH thanks for sharing!

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