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Originally posted by staticblue If you don't have enough money to buy a DECENT pair of monitors, then I suggest that you buy a good pair of headphones instead. Personally I use a pair of Sennheiser's "580 precision" and they suit me perfectly

From my personal experience it is absolutely impossible to create a track with headphones only. You can't hear what the lows sound like in real space + the stereo image is different. For example I have found it impossible to hear what the kick really sounds like played solo through headphones. Btw I have Beyer DT 770's and KRK Rokit RP6 monitors, never have used my headphones since I got my monitors, it's like 10 times better.
Of course this is my opinion, other people can have other experiences or think differently.

the 620s r basically the new model but they are night and day in my own comparison. i worked on my stuff for 5 yrs before i bought them so when i decided to spend that kinda money i wasnt gonna fuck around. it was either those or mackies for me and i will wait for mackies until i get signed which hopefully will happen eventually... ?? haha. i love them and they are for the money i would say the best buy. ultimately you do what u gotta do but the 620s r unreal.

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Originally posted by Thois From my personal experience it is absolutely impossible to create a track with headphones only. You can't hear what the lows sound like in real space + the stereo image is different. For example I have found it impossible to hear what the kick really sounds like played solo through headphones. Btw I have Beyer DT 770's and KRK Rokit RP6 monitors, never have used my headphones since I got my monitors, it's like 10 times better. Of course this is my opinion, other people can have other experiences or think differently.

I knew most people would disagree with me about this, that's why I only gave my opinion from my own experience too

I have a pair of Samson Resolv 50A monitors, and a Samson Resolv sub88 submonitor which I have produced with for nearly a year. Then I bought my headphones and found out it was a lot easier for me to work with them. I think i'm pretty much the opposite of you, as I haven't been using my monitors for producing ever since I bought my Sennheiser's

Of course it's always good to have at least 2 different monitoring systems to test your mixdown.

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yea static is right, some people find it easier to produce on headphones some on speakers. i tend to use speakers when im in the process of making the track then headphones for the mixing then speakers for my weak attempt at mastering.

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Originally posted by dj_palm i agree on you! but i wonder about what staticblue sayd: "if u dont got money for DECENT blablabla..." what is decent monitors then? is none of them we have named here decent since u(staticblue) posted this?

I might be wrong, but I'd say most of the monitors under 400$ don't have a really flat response.

What i meant is that if you only want to spend 300$, I don't think buying some cheap monitors is the best solution as they are probably not as clear and precise as you want your monitors to be

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i have some dull/flat sounding mordaunt short speakers from the 70's/80's and they are alright, i have found over the last few days due to needing to be quieter thanks to moving back into my parents house i have been using headfones. my sennheiser hd25 -sp's, and the overall mixing quality im getting is 100% better now.

i find it very easy to get a good balance of sound if you a/b on headphones with a commercially bought wav file from beatport.

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i definitely agree with both ideas - i think ultimately if you have the cashflow, having both is the best. however - i think everyone is different and based on each persons skill level, monitors vs. headphones works better. for me i worked with headphones for several yr then upgraded to monitors and its like night and day. on the other hand i have heard of a few professional producers out there who swear by their headphones and only mix with phones. its somewhat personal preference - especially in this day and age where the ultimate mix is usually remastered by someone else.. all in all i think probably the majority find it easier with monitors but shit people who do it better with phones i guess have some crazy hearing! haha

basically yall could argue this until you die - lets all agree to disagree and help the fella figure out what he wants haha.

u cant mix sub freqs on headphones. 40-80hz isnt even there.

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is that true with all headphones? i havent heard of that first of all - and most humans cant even really hear below 60hz is it i think... so.. it doesnt.. really.. matter.. besides its a decent step up from nothing! i seriously dont think the guy is too worried about 40-80hz range if he started a post about buying monitors... i dunno maybe i have it all wrong.

i just think you should decide what youre more comfortable with and get it - youre mixes will become 100x better quickly and then maybe later on at some point you can splurge for the other purchase.


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i can hear the difference putting a high pass eq at 40-50hz!

bass/kick is too hard on headphones.. on my headphones putting a -16db highpass eq at like 90hz i cant hear the sub freqs being eq'd out and making the mix a whole lot clearer..

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You need decent monitors to hear what's going on in your mix and why your kicks and bass bang on your computer, but fart in your car
Decent monitors tell you if that sample sucks or if you over did it with the compression.
When your play your music back on monitors its a differnt story and you can understand why labels never reply to that tune you thought was so dam hot?
Why dosent my mix sound like the pros? Or how do i get my kicks to pound like the pros? Get some decent monitors.
Cheap pc speakers are made to make your music sound good and they where never meant to make music on just to play music through them.
Monitors are for monitoring music through and any imperfections bad sample qulity will stick out liek a sore thumb.
You mixes will sound tighter once you have learned how to use your new monitors, you ned to work out why they sound bad on other systems and ajust your settings so they sound good on all systems.