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Originally posted by simms327 i disagree. my father is a non resident canadian, but only holds one passport, canadian. in the event of trouble where he is living, the canadian government should help him out. And wether or not you have an additional passport shouldnt matter. If you have a canadian passport, are a canadian citizen, then you have the rights to protection by the canadian government and equal treatment.

i can see where your bias comes from but think about it. If you choose to leave for more than 6 months plus 1 day in a year you are legally a non resident of canada. That means that legally (in canadian law) you are now the responsibilty of another government. So why should the canadian government coming running to your aid when you have decided not to live in, vote, or pay taxes in canada? I think once you renounce canadian residency, canada should also renounce you. Its a fair trade off in my opinion.

Im sick of canada being the YMCA drop in centre of the world when shit hits the fan and then being abandoned when the grass is greener on the other side. Its either one or the other. Choose one!

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Originally posted by jester Everything in this country is illegal.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery…" Winston Churchill

‎"If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law" - Winston Churchill

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Originally posted by simms327 If you have a canadian passport, are a canadian citizen, then you have the rights to protection by the canadian government and equal treatment.

Just out of curiousty...I don't know much about passports or in depth canadian rights...but does it say that if we're residing in another country or vacationing in another country that the canadian government is obligated to rescue us if there is war?

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Originally posted by Jayx1 i can see where your bias comes from but think about it. If you choose to leave for more than 6 months plus 1 day in a year you are legally a non resident of canada. That means that legally (in canadian law) you are now the responsibilty of another government. So why should the canadian government coming running to your aid when you have decided not to live in, vote, or pay taxes in canada? I think once you renounce canadian residency, canada should also renounce you. Its a fair trade off in my opinion.

I agree wholeheartedly with you here Jay.

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Originally posted by simms327 you and jay1x then need to argue to have canada's rules on dual citizenship changed, not the equal treatment of all canadian citizens.

they should be changed. But in the mean time people should understand the difference between a paper citizen and a resident.

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Originally posted by jester Everything in this country is illegal.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery…" Winston Churchill

‎"If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law" - Winston Churchill

I too, have been a little irritated by the whining, but remember that the news really spins things out of proportion, and love to televise the disposition and anger of people because happiness doesn't guarantee ratings.

I personally only watch CBC and BBC because they deliver news that isn't as sensationalized, and a little more objective. This is not to say that people aren't whining, because some are, but people will always be whining and crying regardless.

I also found it irritating when some lebanese complained that "all the other countries came to pick up their citizens, why are we so slow?"
Canada has by far, the highest concentration of Lebanese Canadians; 50,000 to be exact. Imagine the logistical nightmare of getting 50,000 people home through warfare.

If it were me, I would shut my mouth and kiss the ground that I was alive. I would be so grateful to be home, and that the Canadian government actually cared enough to make the effort.

I hope Karim is well.

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Originally posted by *~LiSa-LoO~* I agree wholeheartedly with you here Jay.

im just sitting back and waiting for the inevitable accusations of racism that always accompany this sort of discussion when the other side is losing their arguement

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Originally posted by jester Everything in this country is illegal.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery…" Winston Churchill

‎"If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law" - Winston Churchill

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Originally posted by Allegory If it were me, I would shut my mouth and kiss the ground that I was alive. I would be so grateful to be home, and that the Canadian government actually cared enough to make the effort.[quote] agreed [quote]I hope Karim is well.

and agreed

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Originally posted by jester Everything in this country is illegal.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery…" Winston Churchill

‎"If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law" - Winston Churchill

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Originally posted by *~LiSa-LoO~* Just out of curiousty...I don't know much about passports or in depth canadian rights...but does it say that if we're residing in another country or vacationing in another country that the canadian government is obligated to rescue us if there is war?

i havent said that they are obligated to. but if they gov't chooses to rescue, then they should rescue all CITIZENS.

its not an issue of residency. its an issue of citizenship, and the constitution affords protection to all citizens. The constitution does not differentiate btw residents and non residents.

when you leave canada you stop paying taxes because you stop using the vast majority of services. when you decide to re-enter canada you then start paying taxes on your income, as you are using the services.

again, if you dont like the tax laws, then get canada to change its income tax laws to those of the US, i.e. you are taxed on worldwide income.

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Originally posted by simms327 i disagree. my father is a non resident canadian, but only holds one passport, canadian. in the event of trouble where he is living, the canadian government should help him out.

Why? Why should Canada help somebody out if they're getting shot at in another country? That's the country's prerogative, but I feel that we should have absolutely no part in getting these people out. You go to a country that's in the midst of a warzone, you take your chances.

Stupidity.

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Originally posted by simms327 i havent said that they are obligated to. but if they gov't chooses to rescue, then they should rescue all CITIZENS. its not an issue of residency. its an issue of citizenship, and the constitution affords protection to all citizens. The constitution does not differentiate btw residents and non residents. when you leave canada you stop paying taxes because you stop using the vast majority of services. when you decide to re-enter canada you then start paying taxes on your income, as you are using the services. again, if you dont like the tax laws, then get canada to change its income tax laws to those of the US, i.e. you are taxed on worldwide income.

you are missing the point entirely. Even as a canadian citizen. If i chose to take up residency in another country i wouldnt automatically expect the canadian government to come running. And if they did id be grateful to get out on a rubber dingy never mind the boats that they did. I most certainly would not be bitching about it.

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Originally posted by jester Everything in this country is illegal.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery…" Winston Churchill

‎"If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law" - Winston Churchill

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Originally posted by Jayx1 I most certainly would not be bitching about it.

said this before and I'll say it again:

Canadians are an ungrateful bunch who do nothing more than bitch and moan about whatever they can.