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Originally posted by bbounce Thanks for the input. tecnolover: do you record your drum parts thru the midi keyboard or do you draw it in the drum editor? thanks

Neither actually, well not entirely. I already have my own made kick, hi hat, snare roll midi files on file. I just drag em into a track start makin music. why waste time writing in or recording these elements that you've made in the past? work efficiently. Most of these are the bread and butter midi parts of trance/dance music beats and are used over and over. later i just edit certain midi parts with the pencil tool for my unique fills and builds and so on.

I can't speak about Redrum but Battery is excellent imo, layering samples is a breeze, the volume envelope feature is a dream and realtime in-kit preview while the sequencer is playing makes auditioning drum samples from my library a breeze and quick. When you are auditioning hundreds of kicks, claps and snare samples for a certain song you need it to be easy and fast! Battery def meets my needs, only wish they would build in a small spectrum analyzer to determine the prominent tunning of each drum sample, it would be almost the perfect drum sample plug. I use a spectrum analyzer plugin for this in the meantime.

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Originally posted by Lindo Are you speaking about impulse djsentinel? I never actually tried it since I wanted to use battery instead but...are there any key advantages to it?

Yep, Impulse is a very good drum machine. Here are my reasons...

- 8 slots
- Ableton Live Integration
- Multi-out routing
- Filter per part
- Effects per part
- Great sound shaping tools

www.ableton.com

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I always prepare my Drums in Fruity Loops and then insert them in Cubase ... as for Battery ... well its still kind of the same (procedure), but still not that comfortable like in Reason i guess, cause you ll have to "draw" patterns there in cubase. I guess its just a question of time to get used to it

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I guess that the question was if one is able to program battery
with inbuilt knobs on the GUI, Rebirth 909 style.

You can't.You have to resort to cubase drum maps or piano roll.
Weather that's good or bad is up to personal choice.

I tend to like and use the pianoroll, much less the drum maps, since I like to "see" the sound, velocitys and lenghts of the samples in one place together.

Abletons drum sampler is pretty much identical, but with less inbuilt features.

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Why does cubase not include its own drum thingy (that crappy lm7 doesn't count) when most of the other similar programs do?

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Originally posted by beats and beeps Why does cubase not include its own drum thingy (that crappy lm7 doesn't count) when most of the other similar programs do?

there are tons of vst instruments to create drum parts, either samplers or dum synthetizers (like waldorf attack)..

what i see here is a tendence to stick the old school approach of the step sequencers, because they are ceirtanly more straight forward, intuitive and easy to program. on the other hand , midi controlled instruments (like battery) are indeed more complex and require some learning and adapting, but imo its really really worth it. step sequencers sound to me very artificial, square and to "mechanic sounding). when u learn how to control every parameter in midi editing as well as the excellent filters and envelopes in battery, ull fing that drums, even though being programmed can be given a very natural and fluid sound. i mean theres nothing wrong with beat boxes if thats what u aiming for. but for a carefully and detailed drum construction, drum samplers like battery are the way to go. its really not that complex. give it a shot

Do you have a midi controller? Battery is for use with a midi controller, if your not gonna use a midi controller might as well skip battery and just lay your drums down on audio tracks.

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Originally posted by mysticalninja Do you have a midi controller? Battery is for use with a midi controller, if your not gonna use a midi controller might as well skip battery and just lay your drums down on audio tracks.

i dont agree man, i have a midi controller, and mainly use the pencil tool to draw all my patterns in the midi editor! although many people feel more comfortable just using the audio samples directly in the audio track as stated above, its a matter of taste. i prefer battery cause is easier to modify ur sound or replace it at any time.

i use battery 2 wiv cubase sx and had used reason 3 but no more, just load ur fav samples into the matrix of battery, arrange ur own drum map in cubase and ur flyin, dont understand how its slow! wiv the samples loaded in battery ur just simply drawing in wat u want and were u want it in ur drum map, and if u dont like a sample replace it, dead easy and a brilliant tool

no more excuses and start rocking that battery!!!
the only way to learn is just using it.

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Originally posted by Reconceal I guess that the question was if one is able to program battery with inbuilt knobs on the GUI, Rebirth 909 style. You can't.You have to resort to cubase drum maps or piano roll. Weather that's good or bad is up to personal choice. I tend to like and use the pianoroll, much less the drum maps, since I like to "see" the sound, velocitys and lenghts of the samples in one place together.

Ye, Reconceal hit it right on the head...My initial question was precisely about the ability to program Battery thru the use of drum pads - the way that Rebirth and Redrum have it set up. Now I can see that you can't but have to stick to the keyboard or the drum maps/editor, which, as I am finding out, isn't all that bad, though I'm definitely gonna miss the way you can easily audition different patterns in Redrum when you have the sequencer running...