ket was a class c drug from 1st january 2006
http://www.pjonline.com/Editorial/2...ety/ethics.html

says the same here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketamine

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Originally posted by sleepydragon ket was a class c drug from 1st january 2006 http://www.pjonline.com/Editorial/2...ety/ethics.html says the same here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketamine

haha so it is
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Originally posted by sleepydragon ket can fuck u up for 45 mins but weed can fuck ur head up long term

that is true yes, i have found that when i was constantly smoking weed for a year i found a deteriating effect on my general health and mental health too (made me suicidal and paranoid)

but any drug will do that because its that chemical imbalance in ur brain

im sure if i did ketamine for a year constantly would render me pretty much a vegetable

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Originally posted by messytechie I know people might not like this, but I think ecstacy should be higher - def higher than drugs like Cannabis.

e's harm is hard to classify because of how much it varies. the research doesn't differenciate between pills & mdma powder (which is basically pure ecstasy)... if they're on about mdma on it's own then the positioning is probably about right, it's just because pills can come with all kinds of differenent ingredients in them that they are considered risky

Harm is a subjective term really.

Being miserable and suicidal isn't hurting anyone, including yourself. (until you kill yourself lol)

Cancer is quite harmful though! As is liver failure etc

Of course, if you cain everything, its gonna do you some damage.

Also, chronic and acute effects will vary.

Either way, its a better way at looking of things, as the current system is well out of date.

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it's hard to quantify these things but the proposals made by the select commitee are definitely a step in the right direction. imo Cocaine should be separate from Crack but it would still rank near the most harmful.

The way extacy is is used definitely makes means it belongs quite a way down the rankings, and for the same reason why cannibis should be higher up in the ranking. People are way too complacent about cannibis.

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Ketamine should not be class C imo. Apparently it causes, quite literally, holes to appear in the brain tissue, I am not 100% sure about this as I have only heard it from a friend, however he is someone who has a 140 IQ and knows shit loads about drugs, even more than me :P

I have also read on the internet taking a line of Ket is as damaging to your brain cells as a 3 day binge on hard liquer. Now a session on the horse, let's say 3 lines would be equal in neurotoxicity terms to almost a whole week wasted on hard spirits, hmm!

Not 100% sure on both those arguments so don't quote me on it. Despite all this Iam still daft enough to accept if it were offered to me

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Originally posted by dj_cuba Apparently it causes, quite literally, holes to appear in the brain tissue, I am not 100% sure about this as I have only heard it from a friend

could that possibly be the most dubious statement ever?!?!

i think so!

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Long term E use has certainly fucked my head up!

to be fair i was hammering it pretty hard... then depression kicked in.. short term memory loss, and generally just feeling shit.. come downs just keep getting worse

In saying that.. Moderated use... say maybe once or twice every couple of months or so.. seems to do very little (after effects wise..)

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Originally posted by Shafteh Long term E use has certainly fucked my head up! to be fair i was hammering it pretty hard... then depression kicked in.. short term memory loss, and generally just feeling shit.. come downs just keep getting worse

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Originally posted by messytechie could that possibly be the most dubious statement ever?!?! i think so!

It's called 'Olney's Lesions' to be specific, and it happens on all dissacociative drugs, doubt n20 is anything to be concerned about tho as it's too short acting.

Check this out: http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/dxm/dxm_health1.shtml

The article is about all dissociatives btw, not just DXM as the link suggests.

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Originally posted by dj_cuba It's called 'Olney's Lesions' to be specific, and it happens on all dissacociative drugs, doubt n20 is anything to be concerned about tho as it's too short acting. Check this out: http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/dxm/dxm_health1.shtml The article is about all dissociatives btw, not just DXM as the link suggests.

Erowid is definatly the best resource for drug information... simple facts.. and no propaganda bollocks either!

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