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richg101
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the rule to comping a kick -

attack - 45-50ms

release - 20ms

thresh - play until it makes an effect

ratio - 2-3:1

make up gain - dont use it until you master using the rest. it gives you a false feeling of how good the kick is by making it louder. - i find getting a track sounding good and then going into the comp side of things works to get a good result. get the track good without the comp, and then make it better by shaving a little more headroom off the kick using the compressor.

you shouldnt eq a kick sample very much imo. if its a good one leave it like that - if its bad then get another. the people who make good kick samples make em way better than any of us will im sure! i will add a boost around the high of a kick if a want more click to it but dont touch the low eq - you will certainly make it worse.


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Biatchzxz
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Yeah i really try to stay away from any compressor if i dont need it till the end of the Mix down and Mastering.. I used to have it on, but realized that the compressor was just making the track louder and the volumes were all messed up when i turned the comp. off. So i just try to make the track sound as good as i can really get it to sound before i start adding the compressor and such....

I have updated the tracks again. Soo give those a listen please and let me know if you here any changes need to be looked at


and thanks everyone really for the help

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pixxxan
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quote:
Originally posted by Biatchzxz

quote:
I can make a simple dumb beat 4 on floor in Fl studio and it will sound way better than logic.


wtf?


Just giving an example dude. Saying that the quality sounds different in FL studio than LOgic. I dont know why u said WTF



He said WTFFF?? because that statement is something really dumb to say
For starters, if u were actually able to use Logic , you wouldnt be using FL!! And you think that u can make anything in FL and make it sound better than Logic???!!!!!! please man, that just shows u dont know how to use a proper sequencer like Logic.

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Biatchzxz
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quote:
Originally posted by pixxxan
He said WTFFF?? because that statement is something really dumb to say
For starters, if u were actually able to use Logic , you wouldnt be using FL!! And you think that u can make anything in FL and make it sound better than Logic???!!!!!! please man, that just shows u dont know how to use a proper sequencer like Logic.


honestly I fucking Love Logic and been using it for a while.. i am using it on PC 5.5. And it just seemed to me that it sounded a little better. thats my opinion. Why u have to start shit. I wasnt being an asshole dude.

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RivalMan
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Registered: Jun 2005
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Hey...

Just had a chance to listen to your samples. Not bad EQ'ing at all imo. I really don't have a lot of comments.

I think however you might want to high pass the hats a little bit higher in the "Joe D" sample. I hear a lot of mids in your hats. It could work like this, but I always like to make them a little bit more "sharp" by filtering out anything below a rather high frequency (using high pass). You could also make greater usage of the 2D-dimension on the hats (i.e. pan it to one side or put an auto-panner or something on it).

Anyway, your bassline sounds great on my monitors, but you might wanna low shelf a little bit around 120-200 (not much - and it's just a suggestion). Also you might wannna balance it a little bit more with the kick. One approach could be to cut a little bit more in the kick (use the analyzer on the bass track to find the frequencies). I also hear some phasing-issues, but that might be due to the mp3-encoding (it probably is).

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pixxxan
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im just saying you cant make and statement like " a kick line sounds better on fruity than on Logic" just based only on ur own experience. There are a thousands ways to work on logic to make that kick and bassline pump. Hell, the best trance tracks are made on Logic. Thats what im saying just if u knew both programs to perfection could u make that statement. And if u did i seriously doubt u would.
peace. not trying to make anything personal, but that comment is just not true!

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i have a kick sample well loads of them, but i have one that a buddy sent me and needs no eq whatsoever, its a really good sample, i forgot who he got it from. but i dont necessarily have troubles eqing or compressig my kicks.the overall track yeah but not really my kicks.


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clubkidnycnyc
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theres a post on this you may have seen it

http://trance.nu/v3/forums/viewtopi...460fdcf5dcc72a5

basically you layer two kick drums merge them into one sample

take the highs our of one and one boost the lows and add some delay on the lower one then add some compression

then your set.

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Biatchzxz
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quote:
Originally posted by pixxxan
im just saying you cant make and statement like " a kick line sounds better on fruity than on Logic" just based only on ur own experience. There are a thousands ways to work on logic to make that kick and bassline pump. Hell, the best trance tracks are made on Logic. Thats what im saying just if u knew both programs to perfection could u make that statement. And if u did i seriously doubt u would.
peace. not trying to make anything personal, but that comment is just not true!


Listen, i understand your point. Dont get me wrong. I really know that you ca nmake it sound good. But what was my question that i was asking. If i already knew i wouldnt ask..

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Biatchzxz
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quote:
Originally posted by RivalMan
Hey...

Just had a chance to listen to your samples. Not bad EQ'ing at all imo. I really don't have a lot of comments.

I think however you might want to high pass the hats a little bit higher in the "Joe D" sample. I hear a lot of mids in your hats. It could work like this, but I always like to make them a little bit more "sharp" by filtering out anything below a rather high frequency (using high pass). You could also make greater usage of the 2D-dimension on the hats (i.e. pan it to one side or put an auto-panner or something on it).

Anyway, your bassline sounds great on my monitors, but you might wanna low shelf a little bit around 120-200 (not much - and it's just a suggestion). Also you might wannna balance it a little bit more with the kick. One approach could be to cut a little bit more in the kick (use the analyzer on the bass track to find the frequencies). I also hear some phasing-issues, but that might be due to the mp3-encoding (it probably is).

Regards



Dude. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.. I really apprecaite you taking the time out to listen to my tracks. Thanks for the all the feedback i will try to do what you said and will post again.. All your help will just make me a better producer. Thanks once again

Old Post Sep-01-2006 17:15  United States
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