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Renegade
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Registered: May 2001
Location: Prague, Czech Republic

Well the thing you've got to understand about progressive is that it's not what a song sounds like that makes it progressive, it's what it sounds like relative to everything else. Confused?

Just because a tune is deep and dubby it doesn't mean it's progressive (though that is the predominant sound within the genre), and, similarly, just because a tune is prgressive, it doesn't man that it has to be deep and dubby. Progressive is simply about going beyond all other existing genres of music, and as such the sound keeps on changing. What was progressive by the standards 5 years ago probably wouldn't be considered progressive today. Take Sasha's GU 13: most of the material on that, if released today, would probably be considered trance, as, in this day and age, both trance music and progressive music have become more subtle and understated. The goal-posts have shifted, the sound continues to evolve.

Also, quite apart from the fact that it is constantly evolving, progressive music incorporates a wide variety of sounds, from a wide variety of genres, which makes it even harder to pin progressive music down into one particular sound. For instance, the following tracks, each with an entirely unique sound from artists with unique backgrounds (their usual genres are placed in the brackets):

Adam Beyer - Remainings III (Techno)
Pete Heller - Stylus Trouble (Tech-House)
Harry 'Choo Choo' Romero - Suck My Clock (House)
Peace Division - On The Bandwagon (Tribal)
Max Graham - Airtight (Uplifting)

Plus, then there are tunes and artists that can only be called "progressive" because they redefine pre-existing boundaries (although, again, the sound of each artist is entirely unique):

Chab
Lexicon Avenue
Moshic
Steve Porter
Satoshi Tomiie
Bill Hamel
James Holden
Dj Remy

And I could go on and on.....

Anyway, the point I'm trying to make is that progressive music incorporates a wide variety of sounds and influences, and cannot be pinned down to one particular sound (though, as someone pointed out before, the majority of progressive music can be described as layered and refined - the listener has to put some effort into the listening to appreciate it properly). Progressive music is all about breaking down genre boundries, not erecting new ones.

Oh, and a quick list of artists that are often labelled progressive by people on this board, but who aren't actually progressive at all (I think most fellow-minded prog fans would agree with me):

Push/M.I.K.E.
Marco V
Paul Van Dyk
Tiesto

And so on. Playing (or producing) beatsy, repetitive tracks doesn't make you a progressive DJ (or artist).

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davinox
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Registered: Dec 2001
Location: you could say i'm from dallas

when you start falling asleep...it's progressive.
just playin with ya.

IMO, progressive is more for the DJ's, and the rest is for the people. that's kind of Ferry's attitude at least, and he is my god.


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amit
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Registered: May 2001
Location: washington dc

dude progressive is the SHIT! its soo deep. Yeh it is layered. So theres alot of beats, drumbs, etc. with progressive music...you build your set up with the last track. unlike trance u keep playing anthems after anthems. The thing bout progressive is groovy u can dance to it. many people @ clubs liek that because in trance theres too many breakdowns. people dont want to stop dancing they want to dance so many people like progressive. what i have also learned that Most older people like dancing to progressive. the youth likes trance cause of the energy. dont get me wrong progressive has alot of energy. u just need to get exposed to it more often. this is a tranceaddict web site so you will get mostly trance. here check out these tracks:

pappa @ gilbey- validate
Deceptions- deep underground
drax-twister
Ceballos & dj chus-africa <---i love this song
Oscar G.& Stryke-Hypnotised

those are some recent tracks that are my favs. but if you want more do some research on like dj charts on progressive music. u will find alot of stuff on that as well. You will notice that theres no uplifting or melodic tune in them (some will have them dont get me wrong but majorty dont). well if you want some more help feel free to pm me. i would be glad to help you become a progressive head!

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amit
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Registered: May 2001
Location: washington dc

quote:

Orginally posted by litlitaly

For examples checkout anything by Airwave like 'Save Me' or their latest song 'Another Dimension'.


sorry i didnt catch this early...but airwave isnt progressive sorry.

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Cable
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Registered: Jul 2001
Location: South Africa

ok , i believe its not progressive (airwave), but if its not progressiev what is it??

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mindshooter
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Registered: Nov 2000
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Uplifting:
*Starts slow
*Builds
*Builds
*Builds
*Silence
*BAM! Breakoff
*Melody and all at the same time
*Builds off
*Builds off
*Ends

Progressive:
*Starts slow
*Builds
*Builds
*Builds
*Builds
*Lotsof stuff playin now
*Silence
*Back to where it was before
*Builds
*Builds down

Progressive just goes on and on and on and on and then silence....and then on and on and on again. Its progressive!

Uplifting has a major breakdown where the melody comes in.
Thats what i think... This doesnt stand for all Uplifting and progressive trax but most of them...


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Devbert
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Registered: Dec 2001
Location: California

I'm just getting confused now. Why should it matter if it's progressive house or progressive trance? Doesn't it relate to the beat structure and mood? So couldn't either one be progressive? I just need to have some popular tunes that are progressive named so I can figure it out for myself. I listen to Trance 24/7, and people always call some of it progressive, and I just want to know why it is labeled that.


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Nucleogenesis
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Registered: Mar 2002
Location: A State In Trance
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quote:
Originally posted by Devbert
I'm just getting confused now. Why should it matter if it's progressive house or progressive trance? Doesn't it relate to the beat structure and mood? So couldn't either one be progressive? I just need to have some popular tunes that are progressive named so I can figure it out for myself. I listen to Trance 24/7, and people always call some of it progressive, and I just want to know why it is labeled that.


Well, progressive is more moody and its a joureny and its actualy taking you to its territory, and it can become in any shapes, melodic, dark,...... or whatever. Progressive trance and house are very different, prog house is freaking boring ex Danny Howels, Progressive trance is great on the other hand, ex Max Graham and Sasha.
thats how we percieve the gender but it general it realy doesn't matter what it is, its just progressive individual gender.

This is where u realy can see what the real progressive is,

Listen to Alice Dj - better off alone
and listen to Salt tank - The energy right away.

with out words ull get it.

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Nell
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Registered: Feb 2001
Location: Newcastle , England

btw global underground is shite.

its all pre recorded and mixed by computer. theres no liveness baout it. no crowd to read. no atmosphere. stear clear of these.


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randummboy
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mkay.. well in my oppinion, uplifting and progressive are not genres.. because thier can be songs that arent' even electronic that are "uplifting".. uplifting refers to the feeling that the song creates, usually found in MELODIC TRANCE.. and there can be songs that are progressive that aren't electronic.. progressive is just the way the song moves from element to element, only to bring them back again.. i think progressive is a little more definitive than uplifting, but i think you get where i'm going here.. the only way to really learn, is by listening yourselfff


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SmellsExcellent
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Registered: Dec 2001
Location: Shangri-La

get james holden's horizon and you will know what progrssive is.. it is tectbook progressive.. slow builds until a each thing is being played and you feel almost overloaded.. but its beautifu.

-Marc


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Nucleogenesis
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quote:
Originally posted by randummboy
mkay.. well in my oppinion, uplifting and progressive are not genres.. because thier can be songs that arent' even electronic that are "uplifting".. uplifting refers to the feeling that the song creates, usually found in MELODIC TRANCE.. and there can be songs that are progressive that aren't electronic.. progressive is just the way the song moves from element to element, only to bring them back again.. i think progressive is a little more definitive than uplifting, but i think you get where i'm going here.. the only way to really learn, is by listening yourselfff


I do , and agreed

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