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Originally posted by Fir3start3r If the question wasn't so loaded there might actually be a response you'd want... btw, a little late to be asking if it's 'legit' or not huh?

If evidence tends to suggest either a manipulation of evidence to support a case for war via willful neglect or deliberate intent to leave out conflicting intelligence reports, especially when the final argument proposed is somehow that the ends justify the means and we see such means ending up in a bloody sectarian civil war that our soldiers are caught in the middle of with an installed government allied with our biggest enemy at present, Iran......

.....well I guess I didn't know an expiration date was okay to slap on such an occurrence. Oh well.

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Originally posted by MisterOpus1 If evidence tends to suggest either a manipulation of evidence to support a case for war via willful neglect or deliberate intent to leave out conflicting intelligence reports, especially when the final argument proposed is somehow that the ends justify the means and we see such means ending up in a bloody sectarian civil war that our soldiers are caught in the middle of with an installed government allied with our biggest enemy at present, Iran...... .....well I guess I didn't know an expiration date was okay to slap on such an occurrence. Oh well.

I've always been of the impression that you don't agree with the ends justify means philosophy. Not that I'm accusing you of anything, but I'm not quite clear on your position regarding this principle.

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Originally posted by we_R_DNA I am at a loss as to how to stop all this killing going on. I Don't think the war in Iraq is legit, and the US is a neo-nazi Government using the drive by media as a parrellel to Nazi propaganda. WTF can we in America do to help stop this war?

Kill all the American troops and the Shiites.

or

Kill all the American troops and the Sunnis.

or

Kill all the Shiites and Sunnis (ie: kill Iraq).

That's how you'll get a stop to all the substantive killing.

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Originally posted by metalgearsolid We must have a revolution or at least be like the Hungarians. If politicians are caught lying than we riot and hurt gov officials. To show them we are not afraid of them.

Are you publicaly advocating the Over Throw of the U.S. Government??

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Originally posted by LazFX Are you publicaly advocating the Over Throw of the U.S. Government??

No and yes. I dislike the way politicians are and they are this way b/c they know they can get away with whatever they want. If ppl for once stood up to their gov. The gov would start becoming shit faced filled with fear of their own ppl.

The only bad thing is that if a minority acts-which would be most likely the case-the gov would put stricter laws decreasing liberties and the rest of ppl would be ok with it. We need more than a couple thousand protestors per city. And it can't be passive. Now the word passive can mean whatever you want it to mean.

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Originally posted by metalgearsolid Voting won't help. There are only two parties to choose, and both are quite similar. If you bother to look deeply at their views of things. We must have a revolution or at least be like the Hungarians. If politicians are caught lying than we riot and hurt gov officials. To show them we are not afraid of them. Currently, I don't think it's that we are afraid. Rather we are lazy to do anything.

There have been plenty of proofs of Bush lying etc.
Do we see any riots? No!

What happened in Hungaria was to say the least amazing and totally unexpected!
I may be wrong but I don't think I have heard ( or that there has been ) such an uprising in a European country of all my life.

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Originally posted by metalgearsolid No and yes. I dislike the way politicians are and they are this way b/c they know they can get away with whatever they want. If ppl for once stood up to their gov. The gov would start becoming shit faced filled with fear of their own ppl. The only bad thing is that if a minority acts-which would be most likely the case-the gov would put stricter laws decreasing liberties and the rest of ppl would be ok with it. We need more than a couple thousand protestors per city. And it can't be passive. Now the word passive can mean whatever you want it to mean.

Until the conflict hits home in a continuous matter ( not a one off terrorrist attack ) people will be insensitive to the abuse the war caused abroad hence there won't be any fight to overthrow the governement.

There were also tons of protests before the conflict began in Iraq .... marches in all the major cities. It didn't change a thing in the outcome ( because perhaps they were truly pacifist for the most part ).

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Originally posted by jdat There have been plenty of proofs of Bush lying etc. Do we see any riots? No! What happened in Hungaria was to say the least amazing and totally unexpected! I may be wrong but I don't think I have heard ( or that there has been ) such an uprising in a European country of all my life.

Sarcasm that is good sign. A good sign of why ppl are so damn insignificant.

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Until the conflict hits home in a continuous matter ( not a one off terrorrist attack ) people will be insensitive to the abuse the war caused abroad hence there won't be any fight to overthrow the governement. There were also tons of protests before the conflict began in Iraq .... marches in all the major cities. It didn't change a thing in the outcome ( because perhaps they were truly pacifist for the most part ).

Just look at any revolution that changed the way things are run. The vast majority were violent.

I wasn't in the least bit being sarcastic and it seems like you can't comprehend a single word I am saying.


1. There has been countless accounts of governement lies ( and this isn't just a Bush thing so before anyone goes and calls me a liberal ( or any other pseudo cliché "insults" .. don't! ). The fact things come out to the public dont change things as everyone goes about their lives without trying to beat down the evil government.


2. Did you even read what I said?
The marches were for the most part pacifist and it did not change a single thing, hence perhaps "violence" as you want to call it may be the solution. But keep in mind revolutions don't always end up offering more freedom to the populations.

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Originally posted by jdat I wasn't in the least bit being sarcastic and it seems like you can't comprehend a single word I am saying. 1. There has been countless accounts of governement lies ( and this isn't just a Bush thing so before anyone goes and calls me a liberal ( or any other pseudo cliché "insults" .. don't! ). The fact things come out to the public dont change things as everyone goes about their lives without trying to beat down the evil government. 2. Did you even read what I said? The marches were for the most part pacifist and it did not change a single thing, hence perhaps "violence" as you want to call it may be the solution. But keep in mind revolutions don't always end up offering more freedom to the populations.

Ok, I must have misunderstood what you said first. Now I got what you mean

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Originally posted by metalgearsolid Just look at any revolution that changed the way things are run. The vast majority were violent.

So are you ready to die?? just because you do not like GW? Are you ready to see everyone you care about die??

Are you starving due to GW's lies to get us to go to Iraq?? Are you willing to strap a bomb vest to your person? Is life so hard for you right now in America that you are willing to kill over your hate for your own country??

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Originally posted by LazFX So are you ready to die?? just because you do not like GW? Are you ready to see everyone you care about die?? Are you starving due to GW's lies to get us to go to Iraq?? Are you willing to strap a bomb vest to your person? Is life so hard for you right now in America that you are willing to kill over your hate for your own country??

I'm willing to kill b/c the AMERICAN GOVERNMENT has strayed from what the founding fathers wanted. And look at all these fucking career politicians. And what? Nobody questions anymore. Look, the american style of life, is the new slave system. No different from serfs and nobles.

You won't get it. Many won't get it. That is why a revolution won't happen.

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Originally posted by metalgearsolid I'm willing to kill b/c the AMERICAN GOVERNMENT has strayed from what the founding fathers wanted. And look at all these fucking career politicians. And what? Nobody questions anymore. Look, the american style of life, is the new slave system. No different from serfs and nobles. You won't get it. Many won't get it. That is why a revolution won't happen.

We're not exactly serfs. Most people live a comfortable enough life that they don't care. That's the main point he's making. I get extremely frustrated by our government, but they're going to have to do things that severely negatively affect me and my lifestyle before I start risking it to kill others.

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