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Originally posted by emc^2 I just don't see NI being soooooooooo strict with its software, considering that warez are known to bring in more business than lost.

lol, based on what information? that's like saying mp3 was good for the music industry.

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Originally posted by DeZmA I wouldn't expect a cracked version of sx4 (at least not soon after the release)

H2O (if you don't know who they are, then you're probably lying to yourself) has said they aren't going to crack any more dongle stuff. Cubase SX3/Nuendo 3 and Reaktor 5 among a few others was their last big endeavour...

...that's what they say anyway. The point is, if Cubase 4 uses the EXACT same method of protection (ie. Synchrosoft, which it probably will since Synchrosoft most likely has a nice juicy contract with them) then chances are it'll be cracked, just like the best of them.

My point is, try before buy will be here forever. As long as someone makes some "un-crackable" protection software... crackers will be right there behind them finding away to crack it.

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Originally posted by emc^2 I'll try to get more info about this "feature" though over the next few days and report back.

Please do EMC!

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H20 are officially out of the scene afaik...not that they won't crack dongle stuff...they won't crack anything anymore...(afaik)


not that I'm into warez...but everyone likes to try before buy...

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Originally posted by BOOsTER H20 are officially out of the scene afaik...not that they won't crack dongle stuff...they won't crack anything anymore...(afaik) not that I'm into warez...but everyone likes to try before buy...

However the nfo on their last release promised us one big last release but nothing really came of it. I personally think they where behind the recent AIR stuff.

Most of you will prob disagree but however much we don't like what the software companys are doing if the disable cracks stuff is true I really carn't blame them and in some ways I kind of support it.

Lucky for me the only other NI stuff I got is Kontakt whicch is legal.

Piracy protection software is a facisnating thing.

In fact. The EULA is really odd.

When you read one. It says that the only holder of rights to their software IS YOU. And that you can't re-sell it to someone else later on if you're not fond of what you bought.

This directly contradicts the way goods have been exchanged for years.

If I bought a guitar, and I wasn't happy with it. I'd probably sell it to my buddy. Or sell it on ebay.

But for some reason software companies have decided that intellectual property doesn't work that way. Which I find exteremly frustrating and very un-user friendly.

The goal of every product is to make the end user happy because now they have a service. And make the creator of the product happy because now they have a profit. The whole concept of the EULA says "The customer ISN'T right."

Or... "The customer DOESN'T have rights to the property HE owns."

Pretty odd huh? Very snobby infact. Software land is much like a fancy restaurant. If you don't have a nice suit, well you can't dine there buddy.



I'm not condoing software piracy. But lets face the marketing facts.

SOFTWARE IS NOT WORTH WHAT THEY SELL IT FOR. It's one of the biggest artificial markets I've seen. And I'm only 20, and I've grown up in this era of information technology.

When will companies learn that... if they sold their products for what is was worth... and then re-wrote their EULAs. Everyone would be much happier.

The end user, ME, would be happy.
They would be happy.

The dot.com bubble broke, and it's libal to break again. When will the software price bubble break?

Woops. Pretty off topic. But my grandfather and I have talked a lot about this subject and it's something that fascinates me.

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kind of a stupid question, but wanted to double check if FM-8 was going to be able to load FM-7 patches?

Think about the skill needed, and how much time is spent creating the products. Who's going to do *all of that* for absolutely nothing, and make a quality product as well?

Besides, when you pay for their software, you are funding the company so that they can make even better software later. Plus you get access to a community, and great customer service.

Why not pay them?

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For the record, I'm not condoning piracy of any kind and I'm certainly not suggesting an attitude of "sell it cheaper or else". That's just blaming the victim.

My position on protection schemes is that anything which goes beyond a simple serial/key is overkill as it bloats the application and inconveniences paying users. However, I support the author's right to implement any protection scheme they like as long as it doesn't try to access or modify any data that isn't related to its specific requirements.

Serial number = fine
Dongle = annoying, but fine
WPA = oppressive, but fair
Phoning home = fine, as long as no identifiable data is sent

Anything else = go f*ck yourself. (Includes rootkits, file scans, registry scans and obfuscating registry keys to conceal their purpose, CD checking a la SafeDisc, sending un-hashed IP or MAC addresses or hard drive serial numbers, and so on. Modifying totally unrelated programs or settings is the most flagrant violation I've heard of so far).

Oh, so they want to know who is pirating their software? Tough. Your application is entitled to do f*cking detective work on my machine. That's called spyware and malware.

Steinberg shot themselves in the foot with the dongle crap, since the program actually runs faster with an emulated dongle and hence you're better off running it cracked. But what they did was still within the bounds of legitimate protection. If NI thinks they are going to "check my machine" for anything or "disable" anything, be it warez or anything else, they can suck on my salty left nut. I don't care if this is a feature you can disable. Get a clue you stupid empty suits on the top floors - don't treat your paying customers like criminals.

FM8 looks like a great product. In fact I'm sure it will blow most other synths out of the water. But if they think that justifies this intrusive behaviour, they'll get the double-barrels from yours truly.

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I think djfreq post has some very intrseting questions regagarding the EULA. I carn't see why you hae to pay £25 to register second hand software.

I brought atmosphere and despite the original buyer contacting them to inform them that they have sold the software I still had to pay to register it. It would have been a lot less hassle to install a crack.

Same goes for sample cd's. I just spent £30 on a sample cd that was crap. While £30 is not that much why shouldn't I be allowe to re-sell it? A lot of sample cds and soundbanks are a complete rip off.

Look at the syntholgy / vengeance vanguard banks that cost nearly as much as the synth. It's nice to see quality banks for people like adam baker at a much cheaper price.

And speaking of vanguard banks I got 3 yes 3 of the best quality trance banks I own for just 10 euro!!!!! Fantastic

http://www.vstsoundbanks.com/

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Originally posted by Akridrot Think about the skill needed, and how much time is spent creating the products. Who's going to do *all of that* for absolutely nothing, and make a quality product as well?

Being a software engineer/developer myself I know this more intimately than most people here, and you're absolutely right, which is why I say again and again that I'm not advocating piracy or suggesting that it's merely a side-effect of "ripoff" prices, all of which is ludicrous.

But think about what you're saying for a minute. Scanning your system for other "warez", phoning home, and selectively disabling other software. This has to work in any environment. On any machine. This kind of protection would take many man-months to spec out, implement, and fully test.

Don't you figure that they'll be looking to recoup those sunk costs? There is no question that this is going to add to the product cost as well. In a sense, if you buy the application, you are actually paying to be treated like a criminal. Personally, I can't stomach that.

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I can't think of anything else to say really other than:

I'm poor, and I guess I should quit complaining about expensive software prices and save up.

I still don't like the EULA. You can't change my mind about that.

Oh and:

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Oh DigiNut, you'll probably laugh at this realization but.

I know why people don't like to pay for expensive software.

Because it feels like they're not getting anything TANGIBLE.

I can't really hold a VSTi in my hands... so that right there is a weird psychological effect. It makes me think it's not worth the cash.

I'm sure you've thought of that before, but it makes since why EULAs are written as such. Software programmers know that their software "feels flimsy" so I guess they had to write it that way.

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