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Originally posted by Derivative As you say, when you bounce it down to 24 bit you lose 8 bits of dynamic range and you may sometimes find your renders clipping because it cannot express 32 bits worth of dynamic range using only 24 bits.

Actually that's not the reason. You are right that you loose 8 bits of information (although you will hear it as much less if you dither with good algorithms). But the reason that it will clip is rather that you go from floating point numbers to a file with a finite amount of bits available that requires a conversion to fixed point.

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Originally posted by Derivative Pretty much all agreeable except that transients are essential in some instruments. Kick drums will always be transient. Short length (typically no longer than 100 ms). Very fast attack phase. Same deal with snare drums. Sometimes you need transient instruments for stacato notes and so forth - its when they eat up like 5+ dB of headroom in the whole mix that you have to start thinking about removing them or limiting the peak signal of that instrument.

Of course you're correct - I was speaking more along the lines of, if you do have kicks or snares or other snappy transient sounds, then you want to try and move all the other sounds away to avoid the clip.

Which doesn't have to mean putting them all on offbeats - shifting them just a few ms will often do the trick and the listener won't notice the difference at all, except for the track being much louder and clearer after the master because you've preserved more headroom.

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just export the track at a non-clipping level, and process it with a compressor or something in Wavelab or something.

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Check page 2 on these forums, and find this post:
http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...threadid=364740
it basically answers the "Why?" , but not the "How?"...

Edit: AAAAAaaand I just realised I quoted your own post... please give me the retard-of-the-year prize now...

Hi,
if you would like to hear a louder track, export your 24 bit file at -3dB peak, and master using a limiter, so that RMS levels reach in between -12 and -9 dBFS. The usual practice in mastering is to leave peak levels inbetween -0.3 and -0.1 dBFS. Beware that -9dBFS RMS will sound squashed due to the amount of limiting. Unfortunately, the loudness war continues...
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