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Originally posted by Lunar Phase 7 One thing I truly hate already though is track 2 with that fucking baby sample. It's fucking horrible.

haha, that sound is kinda annoying but the neo-classical jazz piece he puts in half way through that piece is fantastic

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Originally posted by Spirit5 If you listen to Ima and listen to this one, as they are different styles (once's dance, the other is more chill) you will hear some differences. I almost think this is the album that could be considered an ambient companion to Ima and if you hear some of the intros to the tracks on Ima and some of the background sound effects on this one, they are very familiar. You can also hear some of it on ESCM too. But for the most part, it is a different style.

It is fuck all like Ima. And it's especially not an "ambient companion". The style, the mood, the techniques used and the overall structure of the two albums are completely different. In fact, there's very little on TBU we've heard on any of BT's previous artist albums.

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Originally posted by Quinders What ground has he broken?

try listening to the album in surround.

then you will understand.

Ha Ha Cheers Hai Lee!

Also, 200 pages of code for the first tune, certainly not a frequently heard thing in music of any genre.

It's a bit too experimental for me ot like it more than I like ESCM or movement in still life.

Still inspirational though.

His stutter effects he is famous for have now grown more random and less predictable if that makes sense.

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Originally posted by Quinders What ground has he broken?

Read up on the technical aspect of the album.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J It is fuck all like Ima. And it's especially not an "ambient companion". The style, the mood, the techniques used and the overall structure of the two albums are completely different. In fact, there's very little on TBU we've heard on any of BT's previous artist albums.

Yeah but if you think about it, Ima had themed tracks and they all seemed to flow together and there were some similar ambient sound effects in the backgrounds and in the intros of some of the tracks like "Embracing The Sunshine" and you can hear the same stuff on this album. Obviously one is trance/dance and this one is ambient/chill, and I said that, but from a theme and concept point, it's similar. The other albums, esp the last two and ESCM to a point, were pretty varied...eclectic and somewhat all over the place as far as style is concerned.

Both Ima and TBU are more like concept albums and this is I guess what I am trying to get at, not exactly looking at the tracks structurally, but they both have a pretty progressive structure to them...long flowing tracks with changes over time and then coming back to the theme again. The tracks on this album a bit more experimental, and obivously NOT dance but I'm not looking at them from an exactly technical or structural basis, more as an idea or theme. I made it clear in my post that they were different styles yet had some similiarities.

To put it simply...

Ima was mostly all progressive trance/house music
This Binary Universe is mostly all ambient/downtempo music
They both had themes throughout that either dealt with the universe/space, spirituality, life or sunshine (esp Ima).
ESCM was close but a bit more eclectic

The other albums did this to a lesser degree with a more varied style, and the tracks had themes to them but the albums themselves had a more varied, eclectic style and the albums weren't exactly "concept" or "themed" albums.

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On a side note, that grotesque baby noise really ruins that track for me, sounds like its letting out a shit. Why the fuck he put that there i dunno. It's totally crap.

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Originally posted by Lunar Phase 7 On a side note, that grotesque baby noise really ruins that track for me, sounds like its letting out a shit. Why the fuck he put that there i dunno. It's totally crap.

Uh the track was dedicated to his two year old daughter. Watch the video...it's quite touching.

I realised it would have something like that behind it, but my god. Annoying noise is an understatement.

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Originally posted by Spirit5 Yeah but if you think about it, Ima had themed tracks and they all seemed to flow together and there were some similar ambient sound effects in the backgrounds and in the intros of some of the tracks like "Embracing The Sunshine" and you can hear the same stuff on this album.

So fucking what? There were no similar ambient effects beyond the occasional bit of whale or animal call and some water effects. That doesn't make them companion albums. Equally, that they "flowed together" doesn't correllate them, because so many albums do that it's redundant to compare it.

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Obviously one is trance/dance and this one is ambient/chill, and I said that, but from a theme and concept point, it's similar.

No it isn't. At all.

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Both Ima and TBU are more like concept albums and this is I guess what I am trying to get at

No they aren't. Do you know what a concept album is? It's an album based around a unique concept. The KLF's "Chill Out" is a concept album- based on a car journey through part of America. The Orb's "Adventures Beyond Ultraworld" is a concept album of a journey from Earth to the Ultraworld. The Streets' "A Grand Don't Come For Free" is a concept album based on the narrative of Mike Skinner trying to get his TV back (or something like that). A coherent album is not a concept album. And there are so many coherent albums out there it's redundant to compare.

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not exactly looking at the tracks structurally, but they both have a pretty progressive structure to them...long flowing tracks with changes over time and then coming back to the theme again.

Ima doesn't do that. Go fucking listen to the thing, rather than just waffling crap about it you think sounds good. Most of Ima is based around peaks- and I don't mean shitty breakdowns introducing anthems, I mean big melodic peaks. Hardly any of Ima is structured like TBU, and hardly any of it is structured like you've described.

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The tracks on this album a bit more experimental, and obivously NOT dance but I'm not looking at them from an exactly technical or structural basis, more as an idea or theme. I made it clear in my post that they were different styles yet had some similiarities.

And I'm telling you there is no theme or idea that they share. They don't hop around genres like most BT albums. That's pretty much it. MISL is not a companion to ESCM because they both hop through genres for the same reason.




EDIT: Oh fuck. I'm becoming Ishkur.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J EDIT: Oh fuck. I'm becoming Ishkur.

Yep that about sums it up...chill out dude maybe you should listen to TBU and CHILL OUT instead of acting like him or whatever. I was just wanting to have an intelligent, adult discussion about this, not an argument. I wasn't acting confrontational in my reply to your reply to my post, I was merely stating what I felt from looking at the album. I realize that concept albums usually deal with a storyline, and there could be argued a loose storyline or "theme" in these two albums even if it wasn't something written in stone to scream out at you that it's a story. So I take that back about a "concept album" but I would say that these two albums have a more consistent theme vs. his other albums, which are seeming to showcase a wide variety of styles and themes in them.

And from this, TBU has the videos that were created and if you watch them, they seem to follow themes about life, the universe and visual expressions from the album....however abstract could have some symbolic meaning behind them. So it's not an album that gives a storyline to you, rather it leaves stuff up the imagination in a more consistent...journey like quality to them. And Ima does the same thing. And his other albums to a certain degree, but maybe not as much as these two do IMO. Nothing i'm saying is set in stone, i'm not saying i'm right...i'm just stating my view, i'm not trying to make this into an argument, i'm just clarifying what I said. Forget the technical or structural arguments, i'm not really tyring to get into that because i'm not an expert on that, I just know some from what i've read or heard from the years listening to electronic music.

Last edited by Spirit5 on Oct-01-2006 at 00:16