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Jayx1
Prime Minister of TOTA



Registered: Feb 2003
Location: The Socialist People's Republic Of Canada

quote:
Originally posted by Cro_Addict

i do give tips cuz i feel like i have to.


i dont anymore unless the service is really good. Average service gets 5% from me so they can cover the tip out. Im sick of the throw away tipping culture we have developed.

quote:
the thing that really pisses me off is the automatic tip that is added in some restaurants..sometimes up to 19%..RIDICULUS
I try and avoid those places and if it does happen i never pay it. What are they going to do, call the cops? screw them

quote:
some ppl say u have to tip in restaurants cuz the waiters are not paid enough, well thats not my problem. maybe if we stopped tipping the employer will start paying good wages.


exactly my theory

and this isnt about $$ or being cheap. Its about the principal. If food prices here werent already so ridiculous it wouldnt be so bad. But we have some of the highest food costs in the world and then on top of that we have to subisdize their wages?


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quote:
Originally posted by jester
Everything in this country is illegal.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery…" Winston Churchill

‎"If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law" - Winston Churchill

Old Post Oct-04-2006 22:07  Canada
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Jayx1
Prime Minister of TOTA



Registered: Feb 2003
Location: The Socialist People's Republic Of Canada

quote:
Originally posted by English Rachel
Oh I don't know about that... tax is just as bad at home BUT you don't tip as people are paid decent wages!!!

You would tip 10% for a restaurant meal but that is it. Oh and perhaps round your taxi fare up to the nearest pound. You sure as shit aren't expected to pay for your drink then throw a dollar at the person who held a glass under a tap for 30 seconds!!!


the funny part is when you try and tip in britain and some people actually get offended as if you are treating them like a charity case.


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quote:
Originally posted by jester
Everything in this country is illegal.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery…" Winston Churchill

‎"If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law" - Winston Churchill

Old Post Oct-04-2006 22:08  Canada
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Cro_Addict
Shit 'N Piss



Registered: Oct 2006
Location: Detroit (formerly Toronto (formerly Winsdor))

yeah bathroom attended is soo dumb at a bar..but in windsor about 90% of the bars have one...

speaking of taxes...they are crazy in canada..lol

first u work ur taxed between 25-50%
then u take the remainder and go buy stuff and ur taxed again 14%(ON)
then u take what u have left and put in the savings account with a small interest ..
once u earn some interest..you then get taxed again on the money u made from the interest

i love the governemnt

Old Post Oct-04-2006 22:10  Cuba
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Orko
Digital Hippie



Registered: Nov 2002
Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada

quote:
Originally posted by Jayx1
depends on the type of food you buy


unprepared food as in groceries, no tax. fast food, tax.

Do your shopping at the grocery store, and you dont have to pay taxes on 95% of the items.

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Jayx1
Prime Minister of TOTA



Registered: Feb 2003
Location: The Socialist People's Republic Of Canada

quote:
Originally posted by Orko
unprepared food as in groceries, no tax. fast food, tax.

Do your shopping at the grocery store, and you dont have to pay taxes on 95% of the items.


at the grocery store, on a $60 order i usually end up paying about $5 in tax. But then again im not a big raw veggie eater


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Originally posted by jester
Everything in this country is illegal.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery…" Winston Churchill

‎"If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law" - Winston Churchill

Old Post Oct-04-2006 22:14  Canada
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Orko
Digital Hippie



Registered: Nov 2002
Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada

quote:
Originally posted by Jayx1
at the grocery store, on a $60 order i usually end up paying about $5 in tax. But then again im not a big raw veggie eater


I call bullshit:

here is a link to my first grocery bill from moving into my new place, which means buying all the sarter stuff, including prepared foods.

for a bill of $112.49 I paid $1.72 in tax. You do the math. Obviously you are not paying $5 in tax for $60 of groceries.

link

and look at the items on which i paid the tax:
-sponges
-dish soap
-foil
-kit kats
-doritos

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MarkT
Automatic Static



Registered: Sep 2003
Location: Toronto

cry me a fucking river.

1. if you feel our taxes are too high, don't move here.

Canadians enjoy substantial access to social services, basic healthcare, subsidized education, reliable municipal services, subsidized leisure options, a decent infrastructure, stable gov't, decent employment opportunity, etc. That all either costs money or are worth a premium, IMHO. Part of the reason someone probably left their country is because one or more of these things were NOT the case there.

2. Appliances (fridge and stove, at minimum) are usually provided in virtually any apt, condo or house. If not, you should find another place to live. You may have to share these appliances, but you don't have to buy your own. As for furniture, since when is free furniture to be expected? And furnished accomodation is often available.

3. If $55 to switch your phone is breaking you, how will you afford the monthly phone bill in the first place? Is the phone service where you are coming from as reliable as Bell? Will it be quickly repaired if lines are down, as it is with Bell? I can't remember the last time my phone was down at all, nevermind for any length of time.

4. the sub-$40 fee to register a change of address is for the convenience of you not having to contact EVERYONE who would otherwise require this information. A small price to pay, IMHO. But it's not REQUIRED. You are welcome to call your bank, your employer, every gov't agency you deal with, all your friends and family, etc. and relay the new information...and of course you will still forget several people. Why should this be free? How are you affording to "move up in the world" and change your address if this $40 is a hardship?

5. a car is not a right. if you can afford a car and gas, not to mention insurance and maintenance, then that $55 phone hookup and $37.10 address mentioned above is pretty neglidible, I'd argue. Since when is a parking spot $20,000 besides an owned condo space (and you have to live in most condos to buy such a space anyway)? Parking in the downtown core can *easily* be found for $100-150/month, MAX. Parking in the burbs is usually available to employees...if not, car pool or take transit.

I was waiting for complaints of job skills or education obtained overseas not being recognized here...but this article is nothing more than whining from someone looking for handouts. Where did they come from if these costs are breaking them? and do such costs outweigh the benefit of coming here in the first place?

If anything, this is an argument for immigration providing more specific information to newcomers...and that could very well be true...but "the high cost of becoming Canadian"? give me a fucking break

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Cro_Addict
Shit 'N Piss



Registered: Oct 2006
Location: Detroit (formerly Toronto (formerly Winsdor))

quote:
Originally posted by MarkT
cry me a fucking river.

1. if you feel our taxes are too high, don't move here.

Canadians enjoy substantial access to social services, basic healthcare, subsidized education, reliable municipal services, subsidized leisure options, a decent infrastructure, stable gov't, decent employment opportunity, etc. That all either costs money or are worth a premium, IMHO. Part of the reason someone probably left their country is because one or more of these things were NOT the case there.

2. Appliances (fridge and stove, at minimum) are usually provided in virtually any apt, condo or house. If not, you should find another place to live. You may have to share these appliances, but you don't have to buy your own. As for furniture, since when is free furniture to be expected? And furnished accomodation is often available.

3. If $55 to switch your phone is breaking you, how will you afford the monthly phone bill in the first place? Is the phone service where you are coming from as reliable as Bell? Will it be quickly repaired if lines are down, as it is with Bell? I can't remember the last time my phone was down at all, nevermind for any length of time.

4. the sub-$40 fee to register a change of address is for the convenience of you not having to contact EVERYONE who would otherwise require this information. A small price to pay, IMHO. But it's not REQUIRED. You are welcome to call your bank, your employer, every gov't agency you deal with, all your friends and family, etc. and relay the new information...and of course you will still forget several people. Why should this be free? How are you affording to "move up in the world" and change your address if this $40 is a hardship?

5. a car is not a right. if you can afford a car and gas, not to mention insurance and maintenance, then that $55 phone hookup and $37.10 address mentioned above is pretty neglidible, I'd argue. Since when is a parking spot $20,000 besides an owned condo space (and you have to live in most condos to buy such a space anyway)? Parking in the downtown core can *easily* be found for $100-150/month, MAX. Parking in the burbs is usually available to employees...if not, car pool or take transit.

I was waiting for complaints of job skills or education obtained overseas not being recognized here...but this article is nothing more than whining from someone looking for handouts. Where did they come from if these costs are breaking them? and do such costs outweigh the benefit of coming here in the first place?

If anything, this is an argument for immigration providing more specific information to newcomers...and that could very well be true...but "the high cost of becoming Canadian"? give me a fucking break


Wow very nicely written may add

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Cosmic Fur
Debbie Downer



Registered: Jan 2005
Location: Mississauga, Canada

AHHHHH! I HATE the TA search feature. I can NEVER find the thread I'm looking for.

anyway, we had a thread on tips already. It was debated on and on and on. The debate came to the conclusion that we tip just because.


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I'm the fear-addicted, danger illustrated.

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Debbie Downer



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^ WTF?


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Cro_Addict
Shit 'N Piss



Registered: Oct 2006
Location: Detroit (formerly Toronto (formerly Winsdor))

2x^^

wow is right

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