^^ The part that kind of shocked me was fiding out about covert intelligence/military/false flag operation in Europe. I thought the West (the US in this case) only screwed over the 3rd world.

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"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z ^^ The part that kind of shocked me was fiding out about covert intelligence/military/false flag operation in Europe. I thought the West (the US in this case) only screwed over the 3rd world.

Even in a book DAY AFTER ROSWELL by Philip Corso, the author details his involvement in Italy to instigate bombing campaigns to blame it on the communists.

And that guy has credibility - he worked for many years in the Pentagon, working on the secret files of the elitest branches of the US military under at least 3 presidents in the highest branches of the Pentagon.

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im retarded. alex jones, steven jones. i get confused i dont have any specific argument like i suggested before. but i have seen some of alex jones' vids/essays before, and the simple fact that there is a link to "loose change" on his website shows that he isn't all that good at providing accurate & well-researched information.

but i'll watch that video after work.

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you guys act like the US is the only country in the world to conduct espionage grow up.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN im retarded. alex jones, steven jones. i get confused i dont have any specific argument like i suggested before. but i have seen some of alex jones' vids/essays before, and the simple fact that there is a link to "loose change" on his website shows that he isn't all that good at providing accurate & well-researched information. but i'll watch that video after work.

Please let me know what you found of concern that you disagreed with. Thanks!

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN you guys act like the US is the only country in the world to conduct espionage grow up.

No, not really. Its just USA is the world's most powerful and influential country, so a lot of things done in the world are associated with USA. So thats why! We are all affected.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN alex jones is a fuckhead.

That's a pretty harsh statement. indicating intense negative sentiments. I don't remember you, or anyone else I've know, ever hating someone for incompetence. On the other hand, I do know people who get really pissed off when their world view is threatened . Strong/foul language, in many cases, comes across as insecurity, not effective criticism.

I'm no Alex Jones sheep (trust me, there's tons of them out there!) but I think your statement is a little unfair.

EDIT: Whoops. I just posted this after you posted again (regarding the earlier statement), so you can disregard it if it doesn't apply.

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"The Greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." -Stephen Hawking
"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

yeah, steven jones is a fuckhead. no respect for someone whose research is just THAT poor and dishonest.

for the most part shaolin, i dont really have a "world view" to be honest. im all over the place in terms of ideology, and am more than happy to recant positions when provided with substantial evidence to the contrary.

however bad some of my positions or arguments have been, i do the best that i can in presenting and researching those positions. but im not sure people like alex jones do the same. ie loose change is full of bad bad bad evidence and assumptions, yet alex still links to it from his website?

its the ideologues like alex jones that have a world view, and always come to the table from a particular perspective. i know what this is like, coz i used to be just as bad. you know, my long stint as a rabid marxist taught me a lot about perspective. and those that champion this underground war where the US is always wrong just dont have a lot of credibility for me. theyre too quick to believe things that fit into their world view without viewing it critically.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN you guys act like the US is the only country in the world to conduct espionage grow up.

State sponsored terrorism and false flag operations, especially with the intention of acheiving a more favorable political/economic climate, isn't exactly espionage.

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"The Greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." -Stephen Hawking
"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN for the most part shaolin, i dont really have a "world view" to be honest. im all over the place in terms of ideology, and am more than happy to recant positions when provided with substantial evidence to the contrary.

Umm... You have a world view, regardless of wheather or not you believe in an ideology of any type . I'm actually kind of confused as to why you said you "don't really have a world view."


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What is a worldview? First, it is important to understand that everyone has a worldview. Our worldview is our framework for viewing reality. It is like a pair of glasses. Everything we see or think about is filtered by our worldview. It is not merely a "religious" perspective, it covers all areas of reality: music, literature, math, biology, medicine, God, politics, etc. Recognizing your worldview is very important since it affects how you interact with reality. Also, is your worldview consistent? Does what you think correspond with reality? If it does not you have a real problem.

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"The Greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." -Stephen Hawking
"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

This Jones guy reminds me of Art Bell, you remember Art Bell right? The guy that stated that thier was a space ship behind the Hale_Bop Comet.
actually it was Chuck Schramek on Art's show that stated it. Bless Chuck's soul, he was just an amature that took a pic that showed a light sorce from behind the comet.... Art and several others, even the media at the time, took off with the story....
kind of like this 9-11 CTs. No not kind of, A lot like:
Loons

I see they wear Tin Foil hats as well in "mother russia" as well.



edited for you young uns: I just realized that some of you might have been like 9 or 10 years old when ol Hale-Bopp came around:

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Comet Hale-Bopp (formally designated C/1995 O1) was probably the most widely observed comet of the 20th century, and one of the brightest seen for many decades. It was visible to the naked eye for a record 18 months, twice as long as the previous record holder, the Great Comet of 1811. Hale-Bopp was discovered on 23 July 1995 at a very large distance from the Sun, raising expectations that the comet could become very bright when it passed close to the Sun. Although comet brightnesses are very difficult to predict with any degree of accuracy, Hale-Bopp met or exceeded most predictions for its brightness when it passed perihelion on April 1, 1997. The comet was dubbed the Great Comet of 1997. The passage of Hale-Bopp was notable also for inciting a degree of panic about comets not seen for decades. Rumours that the comet was being followed by an alien spacecraft gained remarkable currency, and inspired a mass suicide among followers of the Heaven's Gate cult.

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