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Originally posted by shaolin_Z It's not a conflict about "Muslim land." It's about people being forcibly displaced from their ancestral lands so foreigners can occupy and settle there. It's the destruction of neighborhoods, towns, villages, families, communities, a culture, so that someone else can reconstruct it and make it their own. So, it's not so weird. I know you wouldn't allow someone else to do the same to you, or would atleast resist in any way you can. Rightnow they live under a brutal and illegal military occupation that has lasted over half a century, and are being killed and dehumanized. The fact that they're mostly Muslim and Christian has nothing to do with any of the above.

With all that space, I'd imagine they'd have room for palestinians. Plus the language should be similar (after all, don't palestinians already speak Farsi/Arabic?).

It's about destroying the very last counter-ballance in the region. Palestinians are nothing more than a chip in the hands of some middle-eastern countries in a high-stakes game to convince the rest of the world that Israel should not exist. Think about that for a second.

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Originally posted by emc^2 With all that space, I'd imagine they'd have room for palestinians. Plus the language should be similar (after all, don't palestinians already speak Farsi/Arabic?). It's about destroying the very last counter-ballance in the region. Palestinians are nothing more than a chip in the hands of some middle-eastern countries in a high-stakes game to convince the rest of the world that Israel should not exist. Think about that for a second.

Yeah, let's go invade Ireland or some other random country and settle there. White people have all of Europe/America/Cananda/Australlia to live in after all, what's the Irish people's problem?

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actually alot of arab lands dont want the palestinians so they are forced to try to get israel back

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Yeah, let's go invade Ireland or some other random country and settle there. White people have all of Europe/America/Cananda/Australlia to live in after all, what's the Irish people's problem?

You forgot Poland...

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Yeah, let's go invade Ireland or some other random country and settle there. White people have all of Europe/America/Cananda/Australlia to live in after all, what's the Irish people's problem?

I don't understand why this debate keeps on lingering on. Far brighter minds than ones assembled here (no offense) have failed miserably to discharge/resolve the situation one way or the other. All it does is continues to pin one group against the other, with no clear solution acceptable to all parties involved in sight.

sigh. moving on.

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Originally posted by emc^2 I don't understand why this debate keeps on lingering on. Far brighter minds than ones assembled here (no offense) have failed miserably to discharge/resolve the situation one way or the other. All it does is continues to pin one group against the other, with no clear solution acceptable to all parties involved in sight. sigh. moving on.

Because there would be no conflict, atleast so aweful in nature (for both "sides") and of the magnitude it is, if it weren't for this (i.e. agressive militarism, expansion/conquest, terrorism, extremely deplorable human rights violations etc). And you guys would get along just fine, if one/both sides didn't claim exclusive owernership/entitelement.

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I still don't know why they can't just scrap both sides altogether and just call the region Jerusalem or something else. Give it a name all can associate with, governed by equal numbers of moderates and just get the ball moving towards peace.
Is that just too simpleton to work?

Where's Indonesia?

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Originally posted by skot_e I still don't know why they can't just scrap both sides altogether and just call the region Jerusalem or something else. Give it a name all can associate with, governed by equal numbers of moderates and just get the ball moving towards peace. Is that just too simpleton to work?

because palestinians HATE jews.. they would not ever do that in a million years

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Originally posted by homerj14 because palestinians HATE jews.. they would not ever do that in a million years

They didn't until they were displaced, killed, and brutalized, so it's kind of hard to blame them for that.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z They didn't until they were displaced, killed, and brutalized, so it's kind of hard to blame them for that.

Shaolin are you sure you are not moody right now? And by moody I mean in a depressed mood all the time.