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Abhay
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Registered: May 2004
Location: mould coast

quote:
Originally posted by discobiscuit
i plan on doing a lot of scratching on my cdj1000's (they're on their way). I dj for a hip hop crowd 2x a week and a house/trance crowd once a week, so i do a fair amt of scratching. I am really looking forward to the hot cues and hot loops cuz im gonna get crazy with that shit!! I'm gonna be all over the place!

i'll let you know what i think about the cdj in terms of scratching in the near future tho...


What's harder, Trance or Hip-hop?

ANd how do u mix Hip-Hop...

hmm... might PM you soon as well, incase u don't respond in the thread...

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Stealth
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Registered: Nov 2005
Location: LA/OC

here is a really good 30min video demonstration of the CDJ-1000 with lots of scratching!

http://www.sendspace.com/file/ri7vco

the first partof the video is straight scratching and turntable tricks using the CDJs. then they go and compare a CDJ-1000 with a Technic 1200 side by side using the same scratching samples and then show how it can do basicly everything a vinyl turtable can do plus more.

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discobiscuit
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Registered: Oct 2005
Location: USA

hip hop is way harder... i guarantee someone will disagree w/ that statement, but i know for a fact that spinning hip hop requires more talent/turntablalism. for one thing, its almost impossible to mix.. i make instrumental loops (using serato) at the beginning of some tracks. by some, i mean any track that doesnt have vocals right off the bat (i'd say about 50% of the rap songs give you enough time to make an instra loop). you can drop the track in too but you usually have like 5 seconds until people start singing or whatever.

another sucky thing about hip hop is the fact that the songs range from 80 to 170 beats a minute!! so (using serato) i organize my tracks by bpm and start off the night around 110bpm and slowly work my way down to 80. then i jump from 80 to 160 and back down again. it really sux cuz if you change the pitch even a little on a rap track it sounds like total shit so you gotta make sure there isnt more than a 2bmp difference between 2 tracks you're mixing (i usually hit quartz when there's a drop off on the track i just dropped into so i can get it into its original bpm).

sometimes it can get boring. when you want to drop a track that doesnt have vocaless instrumentals at the beginning, you have to scratch into it (which i hate doing). you can also just drop the track in if there's instrumentals at the end of the track you're cueing out of.

if you are getting requests, that can really fuck you up. i'll be at 120bpm and people will be requesting songs at 80 and 100 bpm. when that happens, i improvize (or make them wait). you can do a delay echo on the end of the chorus on track you're finishing up and drop the new track (w/ big bpm difference), or you can do a high to low filter sweep out of the track you are spinning and drop in the new one. i like to use the delay echo and drop method if i am dropping in a track with a 2 second intro or someone talking or whatever and i like to use the high to low pass drop method when the track i'm dropping in starts off abruptly with bass and people singing/talking.

every rap song is totally different (in terms of muscial make up, key, tempo, etc...) so you basically have to be really familiar w/ the music. it took me a while to get used to hip hop and i'm still not 100% comfortable (i've been doing it twice a week for 6 months now..)

if you are a house/trance dj that has an opportunity to spin for a hip hop crowd once in a blue moon, i suggest that you just spin baltimore club music. its just like house/trance and very structured. its high energy hip/hop and remixes that ranges from 120 to 160bpm. any trance dj could spin baltimore club with no problem. hope i answered you're question... i taught myself how to spin, so these might not be the most effiecient/best methods. i definitely have my own style so i guess thats a good thing! i dunno, there might be more qualified people to ask at this site but i dont know of one to refer you to...

its a constant learning experience
bisco

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Abhay
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Registered: May 2004
Location: mould coast

quote:
Originally posted by discobiscuit
hip hop is way harder... i guarantee someone will disagree w/ that statement, but i know for a fact that spinning hip hop requires more talent/turntablalism. for one thing, its almost impossible to mix.. i make instrumental loops (using serato) at the beginning of some tracks. by some, i mean any track that doesnt have vocals right off the bat (i'd say about 50% of the rap songs give you enough time to make an instra loop). you can drop the track in too but you usually have like 5 seconds until people start singing or whatever.

another sucky thing about hip hop is the fact that the songs range from 80 to 170 beats a minute!! so (using serato) i organize my tracks by bpm and start off the night around 110bpm and slowly work my way down to 80. then i jump from 80 to 160 and back down again. it really sux cuz if you change the pitch even a little on a rap track it sounds like total shit so you gotta make sure there isnt more than a 2bmp difference between 2 tracks you're mixing (i usually hit quartz when there's a drop off on the track i just dropped into so i can get it into its original bpm).

sometimes it can get boring. when you want to drop a track that doesnt have vocaless instrumentals at the beginning, you have to scratch into it (which i hate doing). you can also just drop the track in if there's instrumentals at the end of the track you're cueing out of.

if you are getting requests, that can really fuck you up. i'll be at 120bpm and people will be requesting songs at 80 and 100 bpm. when that happens, i improvize (or make them wait). you can do a delay echo on the end of the chorus on track you're finishing up and drop the new track (w/ big bpm difference), or you can do a high to low filter sweep out of the track you are spinning and drop in the new one. i like to use the delay echo and drop method if i am dropping in a track with a 2 second intro or someone talking or whatever and i like to use the high to low pass drop method when the track i'm dropping in starts off abruptly with bass and people singing/talking.

every rap song is totally different (in terms of muscial make up, key, tempo, etc...) so you basically have to be really familiar w/ the music. it took me a while to get used to hip hop and i'm still not 100% comfortable (i've been doing it twice a week for 6 months now..)

if you are a house/trance dj that has an opportunity to spin for a hip hop crowd once in a blue moon, i suggest that you just spin baltimore club music. its just like house/trance and very structured. its high energy hip/hop and remixes that ranges from 120 to 160bpm. any trance dj could spin baltimore club with no problem. hope i answered you're question... i taught myself how to spin, so these might not be the most effiecient/best methods. i definitely have my own style so i guess thats a good thing! i dunno, there might be more qualified people to ask at this site but i dont know of one to refer you to...

its a constant learning experience
bisco


hmm...

can hip-hop DJs use turntable to beatmatch etc. and mix 2 trance tracks....???? they wouldn't know how to do any of the finer details....

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trancintaiwan
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i found mixing hip hop to be aite... as you stated main problem is because sometimes the lyrics vocals/lyrics start right away. as for hip hop tracks being 170 bpm? i'd really like to hear which ones. i've never heard one that fast.

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Stealth
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quote:
Originally posted by discobiscuit
hip hop is way harder... i guarantee someone will disagree w/ that statement, but i know for a fact that spinning hip hop requires more talent/turntablalism.

I have been mixing hip hop for many years and I can tell you mixing hip hop is waaaay easier than mixing any style of e.d.m. The main reason being is you're blending/mixing the tracks for a much shorter time which makes it a lot harder to trainwreck. Also you don't have to scratch or know turtabalism tricks to mix hip hop, in fact people at hip hop clubs usually get annoyed if the DJ is doing a lot of scratching and tricks, they just want to dance.

quote:
Originally posted by discobiscuit
i mean any track that doesnt have vocals right off the bat (i'd say about 50% of the rap songs give you enough time to make an instra loop). you can drop the track in too but you usually have like 5 seconds until people start singing or whatever.


quote:
Originally posted by trancinchink
i found mixing hip hop to be aite... as you stated main problem is because sometimes the lyrics vocals/lyrics start right away.

LOL
thats why you always mix in the instrimental track first then mix in the vocal track... you guys have never seen a hip hop DJ mix before?

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discobiscuit
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quote:
Originally posted by Stealth
I have been mixing hip hop for many years and I can tell you mixing hip hop is waaaay easier than mixing any style of e.d.m. The main reason being is you're blending/mixing the tracks for a much shorter time which makes it a lot harder to trainwreck. Also you don't have to scratch or know turtabalism tricks to mix hip hop, in fact people at hip hop clubs usually get annoyed if the DJ is doing a lot of scratching and tricks, they just want to dance.




LOL
thats why you always mix in the instrimental track first then mix in the vocal track... you guys have never seen a hip hop DJ mix before?


hey i wasnt saying i knew everything, i was just tellin him how i spin hip hop.

opinions are like assholes, everyone has one. wow, you think its easier! ok that's your opinion...

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discobiscuit
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quote:
Originally posted by trancinchink
i found mixing hip hop to be aite... as you stated main problem is because sometimes the lyrics vocals/lyrics start right away. as for hip hop tracks being 170 bpm? i'd really like to hear which ones. i've never heard one that fast.


are you kidding? i'll name a few when i get home... off the top of my head, oh i think they like me (some versions) is around 170 i think...

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discobiscuit
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quote:
Originally posted by Abhay
hmm...

can hip-hop DJs use turntable to beatmatch etc. and mix 2 trance tracks....???? they wouldn't know how to do any of the finer details....


I dont know, you'll have to start a thread, poll, or something... i know i can

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nchs09
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quote:
Originally posted by discobiscuit
are you kidding? i'll name a few when i get home... off the top of my head, oh i think they like me (some versions) is around 170 i think...
thats probably what ur bpm counter on ur cdj showed.. and well.. its compleatly wrong.


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trancintaiwan
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i know thats a dirty south beat and they have that really fast snare(wood hit?), but i dont' think its 170. i'm assuming they wrote the track in 4/4 time. you're probably listening to the wrong drum part. you have to follow the actually timing of the phrases etc..

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discobiscuit
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quote:
Originally posted by nchs09
thats probably what ur bpm counter on ur cdj showed.. and well.. its compleatly wrong.


no, i analyze w/ the mixmeister bpm counter... good guess though

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