I find it interesting that more and more gov'ts are following suit with increasingly stringent smoking bylaws.

so does this mean that it's becoming less and less a case of a few 'rogue' gov'ts imposing their will on the people (or whatever smokers, business owners, etc will call it) as it's more becoming the norm, as opposed to the exception, in Western jurisdictions?

So does this still remain a case of gov'ts infringing upon the perceived rights of smokers...or is this some sort of passive manifestation of the will of the people (since no formal referendums have been conducted)? or perhaps a collective sense that smoking should eventually (but slowly) be made illegal in public places (and perhaps altogether, at some point)?

i.e. if there truly is substantial opposition to such laws...why are *so* many gov'ts getting away with implementing them?

I mean, if gov'ts stripped "rights" away from certain groups, around the world, the people would presumably mobilize. So why not in the case of smoking? And given the strength of the tobacco lobby, how is this happening?

interseting indeed...I'm glad to see it...but for those who aren't, doesn't this make you wonder?

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oh well...at least i can still smoke in bars when i visit new hampshire.

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Originally posted by MarkT i.e. if there truly is substantial opposition to such laws...why are *so* many gov'ts getting away with implementing them?

because of a UN mandate that essentially pressures countries into making these laws.

It will be interesting to watch France though, those people riot for a lot less.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 because of a UN mandate that essentially pressures countries into making these laws. It will be interesting to watch France though, those people riot for a lot less.

UN mandate means diddly squat.

UN can't force any nation to do anything. Rather it's other nations forcing a nation to do something.

So if France is implementing this law, it's for some other reason other than following a UN mandate. (Or benefits from implementing a UN mandate)

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Originally posted by kotsy lol colour me retarded

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Originally posted by dallastar

please go pollute somewhere else.

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Originally posted by malek The government is preparing a decree that will forbid smoking in schools, train stations, airports, offices, public buildings and other enclosed public spaces on Feb. 1, the prime minister said.

As a former smoker I know alot of you smokers will be against this whole law. But, think of all the non-smokers that are also in the same enclosed area as the smokers. My belief is that if an office, business, club, etc. wants to allow smoking in their building, then create a seperate enclosed area to go smoke in. I have absolutly no problem with laws that ban smoking in these kind of places.

However, I would not think that they would need to come up with a law that disallows smoking in schools. I mean come on a school, why not just give each kid a pack of smokes a week. Common sense people, use that grey matter upstairs, thats what you have it for.

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Originally posted by Abercrombie Hell I remember smoking in the movie theatres in Montreal.

HAHA< that's awesome! I dont smoke and I'd love to do that.

Pick myself up a nice pack of Marlboro Extra Lights and just eat popcorn and smoke enjoying the movie in the dark!

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I think it's stupid that all of these laws are put in place without allowing a seperate, smoker's room.

I'm all for removing smoking from public spaces like resteraunts, bars etc. I hate second-hand smoke more than I hate most things, but I also feel that forcing smokers to go outside or stay home is very unfair, when a seperately ventilated smoking room is the perfect compromise.

When did compromise become a dirty word for governments? Why, when faced with an issue, is it either option A, or option B, when it could be option AB, or option BA? Why have smoking rooms been banned as well when other, perfectly reasonable options are available, that still allow smokers their indoor smoke?

And the argument that I know is coming "But what about the employees who need to work in the smoking room!" is complete bullshit. We have a law in Ontario whereby an employee has the right to refuse unsafe work. I think lungfulls of cancer-smoke is a pretty acceptable reason not to work the smoker-pit. Then again, from my experience in resteraunts and bars, most servers are smokers themselves, and would love to work the smoker-pit for tips. But, barring that, another option could be making smoking-rooms self-serve, so you'd have to order your food from, say, the bar, and pick it up yourself when it's ready. This is the way it was setup at the Pearson Airport. The smoking-room was nothing but tables, chairs and a couple TVs, while the bar was outside. And it worked perfectly.

Yes, smoking is bad for you. Yes, smoking harms others. That's why we had smoking rooms to begin with, so that non-smokers didn't have to deal with the smoke. The law should have banned smoking in all indoor places, unless a smoking room was available.

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who cares about the rules, u dont see ppl in guv not smoking!!

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Originally posted by areon who cares about the rules, u dont see ppl in guv not smoking!!

It's easier to get away with it when 5000 other people are smushed into the crowd with you. It's another story when there's enough room that you can see what everyone's doing if you look in their direction.

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ok wrong example, but u get the idea, need i remind u the history france has with their crazy riots they call "REVOLUTIONS"

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