I dont get the point of posting all this videos?

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Orbax At that point you kind of crossed the rubicon and you might as well lay siege to Rome

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Originally posted by venomX I dont get the point of posting all this videos?

The point is to see raw footage of how Iraq war is going on, between resistance and Anglo American occupation troops and their "allies" . I posted some videos before and people were begging me to see more

"Destruction of a CIA vehicle in Diyala Province."


http://www.up-f.org/x/1111.rar
http://www.rogepost.com/dn/di23
http://www.rogepost.com/dn/j25b
http://www.mytempdir.com/982939
http://www.sendspace.com/file/uux3et

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Originally posted by Spacey Orange these videos probably only demonstrate a reality of war. people die. imagine that? sometimes, it's from a sniper's bullet from hundereds of yards away, and sometimes its by a bomb dropped from thousands of feet away. is one method more morally reprehensible than another? is one more cowardly? is there really a difference? in any case these should probably be required viewing, regardless of what side one's on.

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If people were forced to deal with the reality of what they're (actively or passively) supporting, or not taking effective action against, there would be virtually no support for mojority of the wars ever fought.

EDIT: You'd have to be a fairly uncivilized and heartless people to still do so.

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Originally posted by Q5echo you should go tear it up with'em. they'd luv to have you.

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erdega:

You do know there are Canadians there too right?

I don't understand, is the point of posting all this that you want the radicals to win?
Are you getting your jollies out of this?

If you're going to be fair, why not show some Muslims killing Muslims otherwise you're just being a hypocrite.

Posting killings of just the allied forces to look cool or 'different' only highlights your ignorance of the whole situation and the more you post the deeper you dig.

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r +1 erdega: You do know there are Canadians there too right? I don't understand, is the point of posting all this that you want the radicals to win? Are you getting your jollies out of this? If you're going to be fair, why not show some Muslims killing Muslims otherwise you're just being a hypocrite. Posting killings of just the allied forces to look cool or 'different' only highlights your ignorance of the whole situation and the more you post the deeper you dig.

Don't confuse or lump together civilian resistance to a foreign occupation with terrorism. Regardless of what you may or may not think, the Iraqi people don't view their occupiers as having any benevolent intentions.

EDIT: Do you lump the soldiers involved in rape, torture, and other forms of cruel and barbaric dehumanizing treatment with the rest of the soldiers?

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Don't confuse or lump together civilian resistance to a foreign occupation with terrorism. Regardless of what you may or may not think, the Iraqi people don't view their occupiers as having any benevolent intentions.

I'm not, I'm talking about the local warlords and religious infighting that accounts for much more of the death toll because of the power vacuum left by Saddam's collapse.

The States are there trying to hold that fuckin' place together more so than taking out insurgents; remember the whole 'Civil War' thing you libs have been pointing out?

I shouldn't have to point this out but both sides of the political fence have already agreed that the only good reason left for being there to keep the country from tearing itself apart.

This is what I don't understand of erdega's myopic postings; it only shows a one dimensional aspect to it.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z EDIT: Do you lump the soldiers involved in rape, torture, and other forms of cruel and barbaric dehumanizing treatment with the rest of the soldiers?

Of course not, those soldiers should get what they have coming to them.
Those idiots should have never made it across the ocean...

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I dont see how these vedio are any different from CNN showing war footage from its 'embedded' jounalists...

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r I'm not, I'm talking about the local warlords and religious infighting that accounts for much more of the death toll because of the power vacuum left by Saddam's collapse. The States are there trying to hold that fuckin' place together

PLEASE don't for one second try and make it out the US is 'saving the day'. They wouldn't need to 'hold it together' if they hadn't gone there in the first place.

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r I shouldn't have to point this out but both sides of the political fence have already agreed that the only good reason left for being there to keep the country from tearing itself apart.

It was torn apart the minute those soldiers were irresponsbly placed on the desert sand. Period. Iraq was more stable under Hussein - FACT.

If Bush told you that Sudan needed liberating, you'd believe him. If he told you that Sudan had WMD's, you'd believe him. And I bet bottom dollar that you genuinely believed Iraq had WMDs in the first instance.

Why don't you just learn to think for yourself, and not swallow everything Bush's speechwriters tell you, instead of wallowing in your ignorance.

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there are 900 attacks in Iraq in just a day. How come the number of americans that should be dead from those attacks are not dead.

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Originally posted by metalgearsolid there are 900 attacks in Iraq in just a day. How come the number of americans that should be dead from those attacks are not dead.

Exactly. How come if Iraqis are so evil, its so many of them that die, and so few of the invaders? erdega, how about stopping being so one-sided and showing some video clips of American brutality. But I dont think you believe in that - how American bombs and shootings have killed so many civilians. I've seen these videos on the internet, on DVD. These videos show invading forces committing crimes against ordinary civilians.

Basically you are justifying the American and British campaign in the Iraq, I'd say.

Americans and British brandish very advanced and sophisticated weapons and technology. The resistance uses very harsh and "primitive" strategies because they're the ones that have any impact on the occupational forces. The resistance's more civilized and more humane strategies of fighting have been long exhausted. Now they noticed that suicide attacks, bombings, abductions and video tape beheadings/executions, intimidation and other attacks are the only way to cause damage to their enemy. I am not saying that it justifies what they do - but what else will you do in their situation? These people have lost many relatives, lost jobs, homes, lives, been humiliated and degregaded by the invading forces. Its a war, a guerilla campaign. Guerilla campaigns are nearly always savage and brutal. Does the resistance have the advanced communications networks, tanks, scuds, airplanes and other stuff to engage in a fair combat with the enemy?

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