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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Q, there's a world of a difference between Islam and the above.

i agree. that's why i don't condone terrorism. is there a problem with that?

if i'm a bigot because i don't buy into the latest mentality behind violence perpetrated by Muslims in the name of Islam for whatever reason, then so be it.

i'm really not that familiar with the violence in the Middle East that doesn't imply some sort of theological endorsment. if there is such, then it's seems to be overshadowed by something. hazard a guess?

the world is full of all kinds of "bigots" i guess. are we gonna condemn the ones that want to live in peace for the sake of name calling?

look, i know that there is a criminal element to the violence in Iraq and any civilized nation for that matter, and i may be guilty of marginalizing or ignoring that aspect of it. but to dismiss the violence as not to be recognized as a bigot could be part of the problem.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Q, there's a world of a difference between Islam and the above.

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Originally posted by Q5echo i agree.

How exactly do you agree if you're referring to the Quran as:

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Originally posted by Q5echo the face of ritualistic ...brutality that plagues the perverted doctrine of Mohammed...

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"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

i think you misunderstood my hyperbole.

there is the teachings (doctrine) of Mohammed...and then there is the "perverted doctrine" to which i addressed.

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Originally posted by Q5echo i think you misunderstood my hyperbole. there is the teachings (doctrine) of Mohammed...and then there is the "perverted doctrine" to which i addressed.

Ok. Next time can you be a little more careful so it's not so easily misunderstood?

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"The Greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." -Stephen Hawking
"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

will do.

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Originally posted by tathi Iraq needs a dictator friendly to the US

He was very 'friendly' to the US and the US was very 'friendly' to him, when he was invading Iran.

But this level of idiocy cracks me up

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First task is to expel the occupation and then the mess left behind will be divided into 2 islamic states loyal to Al Qaida and Iran respectivelly .

Having some idea of the people over there, firstly no one likes Iran when you're an Iraqi, the idea of such a loyalty too that country is written by someone who has no idea of the geo-politics of the region.
Secondly it works like this-
Family (immediate), Tribe (extended family), Islamic Sect, Country
In that order and in that order of 'loyalty'
You see what happens is people tend too admire AQ because it stands up to the Western countries or at least appears too publically, however support fro AQ quickly dies off once their methods are deployed 'in' their country they realise just how savage and terrible they really are. Once a few bombs go off, maybe killing or injuring a couple of westerners and slaughtering dozens of their innocent civilians in the area, support falls off the scale. Any respect AQ gets is simply at gunpoint from there on in.

Anything else you say is simply idealistic rhetoric because youre probably young, probably a student and have very little grasp on the workings of the real world aside from what you read on the internet and see on TV.
Hit the dirt, see the world for what it is and you'll soon find its nothing like either young man.

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Originally posted by Q5echo i think you misunderstood my hyperbole.

OMG!! you used a word like hyperbole!! you so so smart Q,

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer Iraq needs a dictator,nobody wants to admit it tho.

+1. Not every state is suitable for democracy. Iraq can only be ruled under an authoritative tyrany or it must divid along tribal lines.

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Originally posted by RickyM you're just a shit version of Moral Hazard. At least he knows what he's talking about.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN lol, i love it when moral feels the need to lay the smack down

Old democracy countries like France, UK and the US didnt exactly form overnight either, it took a fair few generations for the old ways too pass away. It's unreasonable too think that the small seeds which have been sown there will blossom overnight into anything substantial, most of the time it takes a lot of bloodshed and misery.