Registered: Nov 2004
Location: Austin, Texas, USA: TXTA #102
quote:
Originally posted by Q5echo
well thats just childish if that truly is the implication.
if that is the case how does that logic explain European media, which is conversly devoid of any pro-Israeli propaganda.
Plain and simple; Europe is not America. The US is the one with a unique relationship with the state of Israel with utter disregard for moral and ethical concerns. The US gives unilateral support to Israel, not Europe. It doesn't really matter a whole lot what people in Europe think. In the US that's certainly not the case, and that relationship between the US and Israel can't be maintained without supressing the truth about the reality of the situation here and rationlizing it with propaganda.
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Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
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Nov-05-2006 05:03
Q5echo
asymetrical scepticism
Registered: Feb 2004
Location: Dallas
quote:
Originally posted by shaolin_Z
Europe is not America.
thats great. and your right, that is pretty simple. unfortunately, it's never that simple.
we do support Israel. many countries do. without that support Israel would have either been extinguished or survived only as a shell of the original country mandated by the United Nations. we support Israel. however, we do so recognizing Israel's right to exist above all other rationale of her enemies. her enemies being on the battlefield not the ones in Europe writing newspapers. the American government does actually make that distinction you know?
in doing so do we automatically abandon all moral and ethical concerns in the defence of a soveriegn, peace loving nation at the expence of our own security? no. of course it doesn't. if we were talking about something more than just propaganda then lets dicuss it.
given what Europe is dealing with right now, the assimilation and immigration problems, i do believe it matters what Europeans think. as a matter of fact i believe it is symptomatic of exactly the propaganda we're discussing. maybe not completely, but it sure isn't as simple as you suggest.
so if, in America, the logical implication of anti-Israeli propaganda is more propaganda and it's so simple then what makes you think your version of the propaganda has the absolute moral authority to question Israel's right to exist insofar as to spread ideas of her demise? is it because she counters with the same asymetrical warfare techniques used to bring her down?
Nov-05-2006 16:42
Fir3start3r
Armin Acolyte
Registered: Oct 2001
Location: Toronto, ON, Canada
quote:
Originally posted by hardcore trancer
so Fir3start3r whats your opinion on this? are you gonna support Israel once again?
Of course, all legitimate countries do.
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Nov-06-2006 00:24
hardcore trancer
Mystic Mind
Registered: Jan 2002
Location: Toronto,Canada
quote:
Originally posted by Fir3start3r
Of course, all legitimate countries do.
Originally posted by hardcore trancer
I mean name 3 countries that support Isreal financially and politically
Your Mom does, ha ha ha ha
Nov-06-2006 05:10
shaolin_Z
Hei Hu Quan
Registered: Nov 2004
Location: Austin, Texas, USA: TXTA #102
quote:
Originally posted by LazFX
Your Mom does, ha ha ha ha
Grow up.
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"The Greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge."-Stephen Hawking
"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller
Nov-06-2006 09:35
LazFX
Supreme tranceaddict
Registered: Aug 2004
Location: 9th Circle
quote:
Originally posted by shaolin_Z
Grow up.
ok
sorry
Dad
Nov-06-2006 10:19
shaolin_Z
Hei Hu Quan
Registered: Nov 2004
Location: Austin, Texas, USA: TXTA #102
quote:
Originally posted by LazFX
ok
sorry
Dad
Don't forget to clean your room .
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"The Greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge."-Stephen Hawking
"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller
Nov-06-2006 18:15
Fir3start3r
Armin Acolyte
Registered: Oct 2001
Location: Toronto, ON, Canada
quote:
Originally posted by hardcore trancer
lol I was expecting something like that from you.
Name 3 countries that support Israel.
That's a screwed question anyways.
A more interesting one would be to name ones that don't.
but I can probably guess that it would be the ones surrounding them.
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