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Originally posted by VERTiG0 I almost wonder if Sony is artificially increasing the demand for the PS3 on purpose... Or are they really having problems manufacturing the diodes for the Blu-ray laser?

You, I, and probably many others are wondering the same thing. It can't possibly be a bad marketing strategy to create further demand for a product. If anything, its a good way to have high demand for a product that will inevitably decline.

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Originally posted by zokissima You may want to explain this a little better. First, what exactly does it show about one's character, and based on what form of etiquette exactly? With your own words you showed the relative stupidity of your post. "stupid people who are willing to pay well over the retail price for a sold out commodity" Where exactly is there a scam in this? Attitude towards money? Are people who do this breaking any kind of law? You get scammed every day, you buy clothes that on average have a 500% markup (that is a fact btw), yet no one ever says anything, and we see posts like these. We live in a world where literally almost everything you buy has an enormous markup over the actual cost it took to produce and sell any given item. Why don't you go complaining about that. There is a basic bartering law running along the lines of "supply and demand". People are not breaking any laws. They are going on a legitimate exchange site, where goods and services are sold. You don't really give much credit to those wiling to spend the money. Some people just want it, its as plain and simple as that. They're not braindead automatons with bulging wallets screaming in a zombie-like state "take my money". They freely and of their own will enter into a purchasing agreement because they want the item, and are willing to pay whatever its worth to them. Further, you go on to sarcastically (or not) say that there are more subtle ways of scamming people....? Your post is completely nonsensical. I don't usually get any kind of reaction out of the stuff posted here, but yours really kind of stood out, at least to me. Get a real job? You really carry yourself on a pedestal, don't you? The three people that I know are reselling their ps3's are all very hard working individuals, with full time jobs, with families, who work regular 9-5 jobs, know the value of money, are honest, ethical, pay their taxes, and so forth....but clearly there must be something wrong with them that I do not see. And as for the eBay warning, the restrictions apply only to presale items, since technically, the seller doesn't actually have the item yet. When the system is released come Friday, anyone who physically holds one can sell it on eBay. Will this stop scams...probably not...but that's the inherent risk of eBay.

FUCKING POST and thank you for saying it!!!!!!

Madd respect for taking the time and effort to put that into words and conveying it on here!

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Originally posted by zokissima You, I, and probably many others are wondering the same thing. It can't possibly be a bad marketing strategy to create further demand for a product. If anything, its a good way to have high demand for a product that will inevitably decline.

Honestly..i don't think Sony is artificially creating demand. Originally the PS3 was suppose to be released back in Spring of this year, and was suppose to be a world wide launch.

Ever since then Sony has been caught in a web of lies about the PS3 and everything it is capable of (I don't have a list of stuff what they lied about, but you can google it).
I think Sony is screwing themselves over by pricing it at $649.99CDN for the better unit. I would personally love a PS3, however, I do not have $1,000 to spend on a system (after taxes, and games). That's quite a bit of money to spend on a video game system. But there are those gamers that are willing to pay. It's that I don't enjoy gaming or what not, but I don't have time.
I'm in my last year of study and have a part time job (as I already mentioned in this post ) and am not willing to spent that kind of money.

Nintendo is in the best situation. They have a significant amount of units available for sale 2 days after the PS3 launch. I guarantee you that there will be quite a few ppl who decide to buy a Wii instead of the PS3 as they were unable to get one.
Personally, I like to have the newest technology and would buy a Wii instead of the PS3 if I wanted to.

I'll definitely get a PS3 down the road, once they start offering some promos and sales and stuff, and better games come out. But right now, my money is staying in the bank.

PS. zokissima, Excellent post! Couldn't have said it better myself.

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Originally posted by VERTiG0 Hahaha, did I almost call that or WHAT This is so awesome.

totaly did! .... on a side note anyone who pays upto $3000 for a launch day console is a fucken tool and gives new meaning to the word douchbag... all first gen consoles are not perfected they've been tested, but these consoles have lil bugs in em all the time it happend with Xbox Ps2 xbox 360, the consoles these days are basicaly a computer that's got top end processors and video card and computers break all the time since i work for xbox i know that there are people who are on their 2nd or 3rd console repair... i would rather wait a year and let the general public test the console out before dropping 600+ bux on a system

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Originally posted by Djsketchbag totaly did! .... on a side note anyone who pays upto $3000 for a launch day console is a fucken tool and gives new meaning to the word douchbag... all first gen consoles are not perfected they've been tested, but these consoles have lil bugs in em all the time it happend with Xbox Ps2 xbox 360, the consoles these days are basicaly a computer that's got top end processors and video card and computers break all the time since i work for xbox i know that there are people who are on their 2nd or 3rd console repair... i would rather wait a year and let the general public test the console out before dropping 600+ bux on a system

Geez, what's with the childish name calling in this thread.
Let me ask you, imagine that there is some product (and I know you'll say there isn't a product on Earth) that just comes out, and you just want it. You waited for it. You lived for it. Ok, obsessive, and geeky it may be, but I don't really consider it douchebaggery, nor would I consider you a 'tool' for purchasing it.

Maybe it is exhorbitant and a little hard to understand for us that are not that much into it, but its a wide world, and full of people that have very different tastes (and clearly more money ) than you and me.

btw, the Xbox and PS3 are based on a completely different hardware architecture. The Xbox is the more pc like, while the ps3 is quite different. You do have one good point though, all first release consoles are always (historically) full of bugs. Who knows, maybe Sony will actually release a good, solid, reliable piece of hardware this time

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Originally posted by exstasie Honestly..i don't think Sony is artificially creating demand. Originally the PS3 was suppose to be released back in Spring of this year, and was suppose to be a world wide launch.

Bullshit!

Sony 100% is doing this, I don't believe for a second that this isn't a very calculated move on their part.

They are very aware that they are releasing a system at the same time as nintendo and in direct competition to that and the newest x box. What they've done here is create more buzz around their product than any bit of advertising could ever do.
Its a brilliant PR move. News broadcasts, late night talk shows, radio call in shows, you name it, people are covering it. Its interesting, I'll admit myself, I have zero interest in buying one of these things, but watching 100s of people camping in the rain in the middle of november outside a best buy grabs my attention.

Its not like the people who want one but can't get one right now wont eventually buy one, and in the process they have blown themselves up in terms of publicity.

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Originally posted by zokissima Geez, what's with the childish name calling in this thread. Let me ask you, imagine that there is some product (and I know you'll say there isn't a product on Earth) that just comes out, and you just want it. You waited for it. You lived for it. Ok, obsessive, and geeky it may be, but I don't really consider it douchebaggery, nor would I consider you a 'tool' for purchasing it. Maybe it is exhorbitant and a little hard to understand for us that are not that much into it, but its a wide world, and full of people that have very different tastes (and clearly more money ) than you and me. btw, the Xbox and PS3 are based on a completely different hardware architecture. The Xbox is the more pc like, while the ps3 is quite different. You do have one good point though, all first release consoles are always (historically) full of bugs. Who knows, maybe Sony will actually release a good, solid, reliable piece of hardware this time

Haven't read any negative feedback about the Japanese PS3s...but that could be because they're all on eBay.
But yeah, to each their own...if they value the item at $3,000 then thats to them.

I'm sure those people would say the same thing about us or something, who would waste thousands of dollars on machines to mix music or stuff like that...or spending thousands of dollars to go on a trip to see some crazy concert or your favourite DJ in some club or something like that.

If having a PS3 is what will give you complete hapiness, then spend away! I was watching the news, and they were talking w/ some people lined up at the FutureShop in Heartland Centre, Missisauga and this one guy sounded like he was working for Sony...he praised Sony and what the PS3 meant for gaming!

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Originally posted by zokissima Geez, what's with the childish name calling in this thread. Let me ask you, imagine that there is some product (and I know you'll say there isn't a product on Earth) that just comes out, and you just want it. You waited for it. You lived for it. Ok, obsessive, and geeky it may be, but I don't really consider it douchebaggery, nor would I consider you a 'tool' for purchasing it. Maybe it is exhorbitant and a little hard to understand for us that are not that much into it, but its a wide world, and full of people that have very different tastes (and clearly more money ) than you and me.

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Originally posted by zokissima

You bring up some good point and first of all, i want to apologize
because I didn't take into account, the people who are selling it on
auction on ebay because i only took into account those who are
selling it up front in person and on the buy it now option on ebay.
As far as my point on attitude toward money goes let me bring in

your argument that people are willing to pay so much for it which is
why people are buying it for the purpose of selling it at inflated
prices:

Business is firstly about building up you P.R and networks before
you are in a position to jack up your prices and have people buy it
in bulk and the key here is that it ensures a secured income for
long periods of time and not a windfall of a quick $1000 bucks a

year. An example would be an uncle of mine who sold his extra
tickets for a chelsea football game at the normal selling price to a
man and his son which was 50 pounds when people were willing to pay
as much as 400 pounds for them. The guy was happy because his son
was happy and took my uncle out for drinks after that and they
became good friends.

Trying buying a few ps3s and selling them for 500$ on ebay and see
the feedback you get from customers. If your a power seller there is
every likelihood that they will buy from you again and again.
But people who are so short sited to see past that 1000$ which IMO

is a fuck all amount of money from the perspective that its a one of
thing, they wont understand the importance and relevance of that
(and im not putting myself on a pedestal, ive just entered the job
market and am no where close to earning what I hope to be as yet)
And these people who are willing to pay that much whom you speak of,

I wont even bother discussing because anyone who is willing to pay
over the odds for an item that for the most part is not adding any
value to their lives deserves no explanation. Most of the rich
people I know have already said that they will not pay over the odds
for ps3 if it sells out.

As far as it being right to scam people, I also believe that sony
probably has a lot more than 400,000 units out there for North
America but could be selling them on ebay or through other means for
2000 bucks because the public will just assume what they see on ebay
is one of those 400,000 units. But thats just speculation and what
what some people are doing is fact and what sony might be doing is
what i mean by subtle. You cant be a businessman if you haven't
perfected the art of putting one arm around a customer and stabbing
him in the back with the other so he wont know who did it. Its sad
but thats the way it is.

I never said that selling them for inflated prices is wrong. I just
meant its stupid and short sited. I maybe stereotyping about the people selling PS3 for profit but if you guys really are as smart
businessmen as you think you are then why arnt you in the position
of the person who is able to shell out 2000 for the ps3 instead of
selling it to him for that much.

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Originally posted by zokissima Geez, what's with the childish name calling in this thread. Let me ask you, imagine that there is some product (and I know you'll say there isn't a product on Earth) that just comes out, and you just want it. You waited for it. You lived for it. Ok, obsessive, and geeky it may be, but I don't really consider it douchebaggery, nor would I consider you a 'tool' for purchasing it.

I totaly undersatnd that being a huge gamer myself but don't you find it irational to pay $2000-$3000 more then the retail price of a product ..... xbox came out on novemebr 15 2001 the 360 came out on november 22 2005 poeople waited 5 years between the consoles so if you waited 5 years what's another 2-3 months ?? i'll wait 3 months to save $3000 any day but that's just me i guess ...

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