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Originally posted by Jayx1 i think newcomers have pushed themselves so much onto the countries thay have immigrated to that the original residents are pushing back. Banning christmas, easter and other traditions as well as all the job qouta schemes. Sadly a lot of people have had enough. It will happen here too very soon i think. The hope in canada though is that a lot of 2nd and 3rd gen children of people of "minority" religion and colour are starting to think that banning christmas and job qoutas are stupid as well. Lets hope it doesnt come to drastic measures here. Because banning burqas and not respecting the rights of immigrants is just as bad as those immigrants not respecting the rights and traditions of dutch people, or canadians for that matter.

Its time for a change of policy.

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Originally posted by jazzyrj Also to add to your point. This ban will most likely generate a wave of angry protests, sparking riots, burning of flags,.. etc etc.

I dunno about that, but it will piss off a lot of Dutch muslims and give more incentive to joint radical groups.

This law is nothing more than a retaliation for some bad Muslims did and it is unnecessary to create a law supposedly to deter terrorists when only 50 muslim women wear burqa.

Has there any indication that terrorists will use the burqa or similar cloths to carry out terrorist acts?

Seems quite silly to me to instead working for a better understanding and incorporation of Dutch muslim into dutch society, they are alienating them even further and that will cause more problems in the future.

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Originally posted by chinamon not true. i say "ugh" but i am a tranny.

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Originally posted by kotsy lol colour me retarded

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Originally posted by Jayx1 Banning christmas, easter and other traditions as well as all the job qouta schemes.

wow thats just retarded. Getting each other to participate in cultural festivals is a great way to shed stereotypes we have about each other and become more accepting towards other cultures.

good news

I lived in Holland for four years and left out of disgust because they were too lenient on everything. Trust me, when people have too much freedom things get out of control. I lived in Amsterdam and could tell you endless stories of major drug problems, crime, stabbings on a daily basis, robberies, assaults, etc, etc.
I'm glad they're toughening up a little. Better late than never.

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Originally posted by Orbitus I lived in Holland for four years and left out of disgust because they were too lenient on everything. Trust me, when people have too much freedom things get out of control. I lived in Amsterdam and could tell you endless stories of major drug problems, crime, stabbings on a daily basis, robberies, assaults, etc, etc. I'm glad they're toughening up a little. Better late than never.

Thing is, banning the wearing of a burqa does not solve ANY of the problems you mentioned. Really- what does wearing a burqa do that harms society or the Dutch? Do I feel bad that women have to wear those? Yes. If this was Hollands way of 'liberating' women that have to wear these, I'd understand, but they claim its for security purposes, and thats not right. If they think it will prevent an attack, then I think that claim is ridiculous. If anyone wants to strap a bomb to themselves, they can do that with or without their face covered.

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as far as banning it in public i dunno... but i am definitly for banning it for certain things like taking photos for IDs; ie. drivers licence. or at security checkpoints like border crossings, or airports, etc..

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Originally posted by malek excellent!!! its a good start!

Absolutely. I say, the next step is segregate all of those burkha clad women and their terrorist brothers and husbands in ghetto's away from the locals. Then, the next time one of them blows something up, off to the concentration camps with them.

This step just shows the levels of intolerance and racism that bubbles under the surface in many countries in Europe. I only hope we never see such a day here in Canada.

Banning Burqa's in a country that has legalized soft drugs. What a joke!

edit--- Holland's Shift to the 'Right'...

How the Netherlands has become less liberal:

- Immigrants must pass an exam on Dutch language and culture before being allowed to move to the Netherlands. That does not apply to immigrants from US, Canada, Australia, Japan and other EU states.

- Legal immigrants already there must take a Dutch language course at their own expense.

- Immigrants guilty of any minor crime, such as shoplifting, during their first three years in the country can be deported.

- People can bring in a husband or wife only once they are 24 years old, and do not depend on welfare benefits. The measures are aimed at curbing international arranged marriages.

- 26,000 illegal immigrants are being deported, some of whom have been in the country for ten years and have established families.

- Clampdown on foreign imams working in mosques. They must show their appreciation of Dutch values.

- Increase in sentences for a range of crimes, and introduction of “zero tolerance” policing to cities such as Rotterdam.

- Tightening of rules on cannabis-selling coffee-shops and zero-tolerance approach to infringements. About half the coffee shops in Amsterdam have closed.

- The Netherlands is still liberal in some ways, however. In 2001, the country became the first in the world to legalise gay marriages. The Netherlands still has liberal rules on euthanasia, recently extending it to severely handicapped babies and children.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 For far too long its been one way and not the other.

Far too long huh...like the 300 years of colonization that the Indonesians had to endure, or the 100 years of Apartheid that resulted in the one way flow of racism from Holland to Africa ?

I'm glad to see many countries in Europe have an 'immigrant' problem. It's payback for the centuries of looting and plunder that took place during a time which most current Europeans would rather not talk about, or dismiss as being 'far too long ago'...

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Originally posted by Kytracid Far too long huh...like the 300 years of colonization that the Indonesians had to endure, or the 100 years of Apartheid that resulted in the one way flow of racism from Holland to Africa ? I'm glad to see many countries in Europe have an 'immigrant' problem. It's payback for the centuries of looting and plunder that took place during a time which most current Europeans would rather not talk about, or dismiss as being 'far too long ago'...

im talking about in our lifetime and in the sense of immigrants pushing their ways onto another country.

Ill gladly talk about the past but i wont apologize for it because im not the one responsible for what happened. To hold all europeans today responsible for the past is in itself racist. However what i spoke about is indeed happening TODAY which is why we as a society can correct the wrongs of today.

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Originally posted by jester Everything in this country is illegal.

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Ahhhh.

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Originally posted by tatgirl Thing is, banning the wearing of a burqa does not solve ANY of the problems you mentioned. Really- what does wearing a burqa do that harms society or the Dutch? Do I feel bad that women have to wear those? Yes. If this was Hollands way of 'liberating' women that have to wear these, I'd understand, but they claim its for security purposes, and thats not right. If they think it will prevent an attack, then I think that claim is ridiculous. If anyone wants to strap a bomb to themselves, they can do that with or without their face covered. +1

I guess I was referring to a 'general toughening up'. Not directly to Burqas. I do believe that people should be able to wear what they want. Especially if it is of religious or cultural significance. Sorry, didn't mean it that way.

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I wish that immigrant groups in canada had respected canadian (and dutch) customs in the first place. Im not saying all, but clearly the most vocal of the bunch successfully inflicted political correctness on these societies. And now the masses are fed up.

Id like to see the day where common sense takes over. Where displays of religion reflect the community that they are in. For example in thornhill and north york id expect to see more menorahs than christmas trees whereas in aurora id expect to see the reverse.

Why should we ban traditions? If this madness still pervades our society when im a parent i will be sending my kid to a private school that still respects the traditions of canada while teaching about the traditions of other places. Ill make sure that school engages kids in christmas carols and christmas plays (not winter assemblies).. has a christmas tree (not a holiday tree) etc etc.

Im lucky to have gone to elementary school in the 80s. Because i went during that brief period where multicultralism actually meant enjoying your traditions as well as learning about others. I still remember the lords prayer in school and i still remember singing carols about silent night.

I remember my jewish teacher in grade 6, Mark Neugebauer. Not only did we do an assembly about the manger and little drummer boy, but his baby son played the role of jesus in the manger. He then proceeded to teach us chunnukah games and brought jewish holiday food. It was such a fun year and i learned alot about jewish culture un the process. And sadly im betting that NONE of that could happen now in a public school like back then.

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Originally posted by jester Everything in this country is illegal.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery…" Winston Churchill

‎"If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law" - Winston Churchill