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Originally posted by Igaryok That doesn't make much sense, seeing as the CDJ200 plays mp3's.

Those are older models, the updated 1000's and 800's do, but, as was already mentioned, some of the functionality is limited by vbr mp3s.

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Originally posted by Ryan0751 Denon has definately had some issues with it's latest player, the DN-S3500. Most of them seem to be resolved with the latest firmware update. It's a shame, really. Denon's dual-deck players are the industry standard (for DUAL players, not single decks). You'll still find a ton of Dual-Deck denon players out in clubs, and they are still going strong after 10 years. So I wouldn't give up on the brand just yet... In any case, I would say don't burn your music as anything other than an Audio CD. If you have any aspirations of playing out, many clubs will have either the Denon Dual decks, Pio CDJ-1000MK1/MK2's (the MK3's are the first 1000 to play MP3, and they just came out this year, and at $1100 for almost no new functionality, clubs aren't jumping to upgrade), or some other CDJ that probably doesn't play them. I really only see a benefit for using MP3 CD's for mobile DJ's (think wedding) who want have a ton of music in a small space. For club DJ'ing, you'll just make it more difficult for yourself to find anything.

you sir, are correct. the DN2600F is a legendary unit from what i gather. too bad they don't make 'em like they used to.

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Originally posted by Igaryok That doesn't make much sense, seeing as the CDJ200 plays mp3's.

Which are also a hell of alot newer in release than the 1000's MK1/2 and 800's MK1....

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Originally posted by J:\Digital Which are also a hell of alot newer in release than the 1000's MK1/2 and 800's MK1....

Yeah exactly - the original CDJ1000 (mk1) came out in 2000 I think then the mk2 (and CDJ800 mk1) came out in about 2002, the CDJ200 didn't come out till last year.

I strongly advise anyone who expects to be playing out at any point in the next few years to avoid mp3 CDs at all costs cos it's still gonna be a long time before MP3 playing facilities are commonplace in clubs - hell loads of clubs still don't even have CDJs, or they've still got Denon DN1000s, the proper old skool Denon rackmount CD players that came out in the mid 90s. Tbh I think the whole MP3 CD thing might pretty much be skipped altogether, we could well find a Mac with serato or similar installed in every club before we get MP3-playing CDJs in every club.

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Originally posted by Stu Cox Tbh I think the whole MP3 CD thing might pretty much be skipped altogether, we could well find a Mac with serato or similar installed in every club before we get MP3-playing CDJs in every club.

Exactly, there are a hell of a lot more people embracing timecode vinyl technology/Ableton etc than there are using MP3 CDs.

Yep... I really like using Torq's timecode CD's. You get all the accuracy and features of the CDJ's, with the flexability of the software. Works like a charm.

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Originally posted by Rebel Brown Exactly, there are a hell of a lot more people embracing timecode vinyl technology/Ableton etc than there are using MP3 CDs.

Now that's a waste of money, using timecode cd's to play mp3's from your pc... (if you really don't use audio cd's on your cdj's that is)

Then I'd rather have an expensive midi controller which still is way cheaper than the 1600Euro I paid for my cdj 800's, and not to forget about the mixer even!

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If less is more think about how much more more would be. -Frasier

Nope, it's totally not. Seems like it might be, but really, it's not.

You could say the same for using TT's... it's all about feel and features.

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Originally posted by Storyteller Now that's a waste of money, using timecode cd's to play mp3's from your pc... (if you really don't use audio cd's on your cdj's that is) Then I'd rather have an expensive midi controller which still is way cheaper than the 1600Euro I paid for my cdj 800's, and not to forget about the mixer even!

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Originally posted by Storyteller Now that's a waste of money, using timecode cd's to play mp3's from your pc... (if you really don't use audio cd's on your cdj's that is) Then I'd rather have an expensive midi controller which still is way cheaper than the 1600Euro I paid for my cdj 800's, and not to forget about the mixer even!

I agree. I never really got into the idea of all of these Final Scratch substitutes (or FS itself)... partly cos I much prefer just using hardware through and through - hardware players and hard copies of my music.

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Yea, the margin between buying mp3s and burning them & playing them from pc is so small, I just think it's strange.

That and you'll need to shift over your pc.. I'd rather have a box of cd's.

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If less is more think about how much more more would be. -Frasier

Well the advantages (at least with Torq):

1. Simple to use loops. They suck on CDJ's (because it's nearly impossible to get them accurate enough to mix into/out of), but they work great in Torq. Hit a button on my trigger finger, and I get a nice 2/4/8 bar loop that keeps time.

2. Effects. I'm not a huge effects whore, so using the occasional phaser/beat repeat/etc. that Torq comes with is plenty for me (rather than buy something like and EFX-1000).

3. Sampler.

4. The library. Being able to organize your tracks into any number of playlists, and have them sortable is fantastic. You can also just load up a track, listen to it, and decide "Meh, not that one." Hard to do that when you have to find a CD, put it in, wait for it to load, etc.

5. VST/Rewire. Use as you see fit.

I really bought Torq to get more use out of my 1200's, but playing around with it and my CDJ's I really like that setup too:

A. If your needles get dirty, the timecode can get lost pretty easy. This doesn't happen with CDJ's.

B. Mixing with CDJ's is far more accurate and requires less pitch riding.

So I don't think it's such a crazy idea. I don't know if I'd be bothered to bring it all to a gig just yet though.

As for using a MIDI controller to bypass the whole CDJ/Mixer thing, if you can find me one that feels like my CDJ-1000's and Xone 92, I'd be pretty happy. And the Xone:3D doesn't count

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Originally posted by Storyteller Yea, the margin between buying mp3s and burning them & playing them from pc is so small, I just think it's strange. That and you'll need to shift over your pc.. I'd rather have a box of cd's.

I take it you loop with the software then instead of looping with the cdj's?

Thanks for the clarification. It wouldn't work for me personally bit it does explain a lot

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If less is more think about how much more more would be. -Frasier