I had no idea it was today.

My Grandparents were scarcely alive when it happened. There were many cataclysmic days and events during that war. And the one before that. And the one before that. And the one before that. Things none of us had anything to do with. Why is this one worth remembering over any of the others?

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this thread lacks nou

I seriously don't know how people can "forget" or just "not know".

At the risk of starting a CT war, some historians say FDR knew about it in advance, and wanted to give the JCS a mighty kick up the ass.

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i dunno but i think more civillians died in hiroshima...

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Originally posted by Frenchie I seriously don't know how people can "forget" or just "not know".

Because it was long before they were born. How can people be expected to remember things they did not experience?

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On I had no idea it was today. My Grandparents were scarcely alive when it happened. There were many cataclysmic days and events during that war. And the one before that. And the one before that. And the one before that. Things none of us had anything to do with. Why is this one worth remembering over any of the others?

Considering it launched us into the second world war and arguably changed the history of the globe forever, I think it is worth remembering. Not just for the young lives lost that day, but for its long-term and global implications. The second world war launched america into its prosperous post war period which eventually led to our super-power status today. If it werent for the boost to the economy that the war gave us following the depression, I dont think this country would be the same now...

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Originally posted by ******** Seplling don't demonstrate intelligence and educatoin - knowing does.

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On Because it was long before they were born. How can people be expected to remember things they did not experience?

So we are only supposed to know what we have seen and heard in our lifetime?

Those who do not learn from the past are doomed to repeat it. I like learning about history, I wish more people did too.

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Originally posted by ******** Seplling don't demonstrate intelligence and educatoin - knowing does.

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Originally posted by Clovis Considering it launched us into the second world war and arguably changed the history of the globe forever, I think it is worth remembering. Not just for the young lives lost that day, but for its long-term and global implications. The second world war launched america into its prosperous post war period which eventually led to our super-power status today. If it werent for the boost to the economy that the war gave us following the depression, I dont think this country would be the same now...

The same can be said about almost any event though. Every event leads to another and to another - history has a Doppler effect in that respect.

People look back and see the significance of the Pearl Harbour attacks because it galvanized the nation into an extremely patriotic, economic machine, yeah - and that may very well be the glory day we had that lead to the US' status as a global superpower - this nationalism went in all different directions though. I am sure those asian-americans in internment camps during the period don't look at the Pearl Harbour attacks as something to celebrate or look back proudly upon or mourn? I am not quite sure what the point of "remembering" this specific event is.

In many ways, it could be said that the Pearl Harbour attacks are what lead to the September 11th attacks (something I think that is much more relevant to everyone here) - but will people look back on "September 11th, 2002" 65 years from now and say "yeah, that's what spurred the great middle east war that we won!" or will people say "yep, that was the beginning of the end"? Time will tell.

What I'm saying is that the eventual outcome of the war is what really effects how people "remember" these events. Would it be worth remembering if we all spoke German?

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Originally posted by Clovis I like learning about history, I wish more people did too.

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On Because it was long before they were born. How can people be expected to remember things they did not experience?

I understand how you could be close minded enough to not know, that's fine. you're not expected to remember it by experiencing it, you should remember by learning about and/or being taught about it. I think it's a very, very important date in history , shame if people don't know it.

History is so important to know. Why things are the way they are today, how it got to this point, what it took to get here, and everything in between.

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Originally posted by Clovis So we are only supposed to know what we have seen and heard in our lifetime? Those who do not learn from the past are doomed to repeat it. I like learning about history, I wish more people did too.

Good point.

And I am not necessarily excusing people's ignorance - it's just that some view the event as significant and worth remembering whereas others see it as an inexorable part of the past and just a single part of greater events. It's all a matter of perspective.

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