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Originally posted by Nik Novo Or let's rather say: Especially Paul has disappointed me just too much in the last 2 years. From about 10 times I've seen him, 8 times were just a horrific waste of time.

I don't know what the hell happened to Paul. It's like some evil clone killed the man in 2002 and took his place. He had enough reputation that people excused Reflections as a major career misstep, that he would surely correct given the critical panning. But he didn't. He just kept throwing every scrap of credibility he had left into the fire, and keeps on going. Closing every set with the same old shit, pushing substandard vocals in every release, the SF Love Parade debacle, and on and on. I just don't even want to look anymore, because the state of the Vandit camp has become so ugly.

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Originally posted by Lilith Late 90's and early 00's where full of junk too, tons of stuff that really didnt do very much for me at all and I'd end up trawling through tons of artists looking for a couple of good songs or looking at other genres for something interesting. Essentially the way I figure it, if youre just going to be going to the one resteraunt for dinner youre going to end up jaded with the menu eventually even if the chef changes a few things.

Not really. All you had to do was pick up a Global Underground or any halfway decent progressive trance compilation. Even though there was eurotrance shit on the market, good trance had just as high a profile, and was just as easy to find.

Not so today. In fact, good trance hardly even exists, much less gains a popular profile.

I agree that there was just as much junk trance back in the so called golden era of trance as there is just now. Only problem now is the moajority of well produced junk is signed up to digital labels and more accessible to people browsing and listening online on the off chance that they might catch some of this. The more crap there is around, the more evidence there to support that above notion.

Any junk that managed to make it onto vinyl back then was discarded and forgotten about and never seen or heard of again, giving people the distorted perception that producers only churned out classics.

Of course, software production has become the norm now meaning there are a lot more artists vying for the same target market. You maybe get a gem of a producer from this but the majority will have a couple of tracks and fade off.

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Originally posted by kr00t0n I think it's actually more a case of the same number of decent tracks being about, much more shit ones, and a person's tastes evolving since they first started listening. I found more tracks this year that I like than I did in 2002

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Originally posted by Cobalt Trance has been dead since 2002.

Hmmm stil is the style of EDM that packs out the most clubs and festivals in compairson to the rest. Dead? No chance. A buit stagnant maybe for people who have been in the scene for a very long time (like myself). But there are shining lights out there both in the Djing bracket and production wise

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Originally posted by Cobalt I don't know what the hell happened to Paul. It's like some evil clone killed the man in 2002 and took his place. He had enough reputation that people excused Reflections as a major career misstep, that he would surely correct given the critical panning. But he didn't. He just kept throwing every scrap of credibility he had left into the fire, and keeps on going. Closing every set with the same old shit, pushing substandard vocals in every release, the SF Love Parade debacle, and on and on. I just don't even want to look anymore, because the state of the Vandit camp has become so ugly.

Everything you've said in this thread has been spot on (as usual), and this is especially true. I know a lot of the purists think he went to shit when he re-released For An Angel, but he was still good quality right through the turn of the millenium. Then around 2002 he completely fell off the pace and he's kept on falling ever since.

To me Paul Van Dyk has always been a good sample of what the trance scene is like as a whole. Nascent and promising in the early 90s, majestic in the mid 90s, consistently excellent around the millenium and then ever more shit since.

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Originally posted by gizzymcg Hmmm stil is the style of EDM that packs out the most clubs and festivals in compairson to the rest. Dead? No chance. A buit stagnant maybe for people who have been in the scene for a very long time (like myself). But there are shining lights out there both in the Djing bracket and production wise

A lot of those packed clubs go for the DJ, not the actual music.

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Originally posted by Sykonee A lot of those packed clubs go for the DJ, not the actual music.

Bollocks. Take Inside Out here in Glasgow people go for the reputation of the NIGHT and the music that it plays. Nites like Godskitchen, Crasher & The Gallery are exactly the same so your point is pointless

It's not the DJ, it's the music he plays.

In this case it's the music to blame.

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Originally posted by gizzymcg Bollocks. Take Inside Out here in Glasgow people go for the reputation of the NIGHT and the music that it plays. Nites like Godskitchen, Crasher & The Gallery are exactly the same so your point is pointless

Ah, heh. My mistake. Going on the perspective we get way out here in Vancouver on the other side of the world.

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Originally posted by Sykonee Ah, heh. My mistake. Going on the perspective we get way out here in Vancouver on the other side of the world.

I can see how its easy to think that way especially if you live in a place where the scene is bare on the ground. People tend to only come out for big names but thats in all forms of dance music not just trance imo.