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Originally posted by dj_kane yea never adjust the track playing that would sound utter shit. i play with the pitch of the incoming track until i drop the bass on it and cut the bass of the outgoing track then start riding the pitch on the outgoing track.

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but yea, for the original question: u can't expect to get the pitch 100% accurate everytime, so as you're going through the mix, you will have to adjust the pitch to keep everything in line. The amount you need to adjust depends on how well you can beatmatch... which takes practice.

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Originally posted by m2j Flange is an effect, it kinda warps the track... its one of my favorites, esp during a break down.

do you use an FX-mixer for that, or is it build-in in your mixer?

and what mixers do have flangers? where can you recognize them at?

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Originally posted by ThaMaestro is it easier to learn beatmatching on CDJ then on a TT? or is it because u use the BPM indicators on the CDJ's? that makes it so simple even a deaf child can learn it

yes it is easier to beatmatch with cd but the beat counters are nearly always wrong dont look at them

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Originally posted by ThaMaestro is it easier to learn beatmatching on CDJ then on a TT? or is it because u use the BPM indicators on the CDJ's? that makes it so simple even a deaf child can learn it

ahhh if only BPM indicators could solve our problems...but no, BPM indicators do not help you beat match. they only get you close...even then BPM indicators are subject to error...I never use the BPM - you must use your ears.

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It isn't easier to beatmatch on CDJs they just don't have wow and flutter which makes them better.

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Originally posted by ThaMaestro do you use an FX-mixer for that, or is it build-in in your mixer? and what mixers do have flangers? where can you recognize them at?

the CD decks i use have effects in them....and my mixer has effects. sometimes the Flanger Effect is called Phaser or Laser or Zoom - many names...those are similar sounds. sometimes i have the effects on the CDs going and effects on the mixer at the same time.

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Originally posted by DJ Z ahhh if only BPM indicators could solve our problems...but no, BPM indicators do not help you beat match. they only get you close...even then BPM indicators are subject to error...I never use the BPM - you must use your ears.

i do that all the time too. ive put a sticker over my BPM-counters just to not watch at them, and trust at them. it improves your beatmatching very good. though theyre easy for quick 'n rude pitching, not the fine pitching ...

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Originally posted by ThaMaestro do you use an FX-mixer for that, or is it build-in in your mixer? and what mixers do have flangers? where can you recognize them at?

Usually Flange is built into the mixers... a lot of mixers have 'em, you'll have to shop around. But the one I personally prefer is the Pioneer DJM-600, which is the mixer most clubs around here have.

but they can be found on some CDJs too... like the Stanton C.314 (www.stantondj.com) and Denon DN-S1000 (www.denondj.com). Go to their sites and check out the demo videos to check it out.

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btw, not only are beat counters usually wrong. but also, not all CDJs and Mixers have them. So if you grow dependant on them, then go to play out on a setup with out counters, you're screwed.

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Ok, so not to highjack this thread, but I have a question about pitch riding with technics turntables. I can beatmatch pretty fair, but just like everyone else they start to drift. I am getting better at knowing in which direction they drift although it is sometimes tough.

My question is how much do you move the pitch slider to readjust them. I've tried moving it up or down by a millimeter or two. I've tried moving it 0.5% or 1% quickly with a quick return to original position, but I never seem to be able to re-align them well. I'm sure it's easier with the bass dropped out of the outgoing track, but sometimes they drift before I'm ready to cut the bass, or it's a rolling bassline.

I'm sure that part of my problem is I origianlly beatmatch with hands on the records, so I'm used to adjusting speeds this way. I can't do this during the live mix without obvious effects.

Any methods you guys recommend?

well I keep my hand on the record (label), and its better I just push on the record a little and its play better + keep my hand on the pitch

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