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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov It depends entirely on circumstance in my opinion. How it happened, how far along she is, etc. I agree that it should never be an immediate fall-back option, but I believe there are cases that warrant it. Without the details you can't really judge.

hmm... that sounds like a good beginning for a discussion - what cases do you think would legitimate an abortion? (In case you want to see my initial point of view, it's already expressed in my reply to starglider)

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov But as far as discussing it on the internet, there are people out there that kill people for having an abortion... Whether right or wrong, I wouldn't be broadcasting that my friend is having one on public domain.

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Originally posted by Lira hmm... that sounds like a good beginning for a discussion - what cases do you think would legitimate an abortion?

Well, rape for starters. My stance on abortion isn't firmly entrenched. I do believe it should be legal in the US on the sole basis of rape victims though. However, I have seen some fairly convincing arguments for 1st trimester abortions in terms of socio-economics, drug usage, etc. But those are all subjective, and I'm not sure I want to wade into a debate on abortion when I myself am not sure just how far I'm willing to go with this argument.

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov Deeply flawed yes, but so are the opposed arguments. Are you suggesting that any human would rationally choose to grow up in a family devoid of love?

I wouldn't go that far either, because this is not just a "rational" problem.

Although rationally it might not seem to be a good idea to grow up in a family devoid of love, there's the instict for survival and the possibility to find a heaven outside the family, among other possibilities. That's why the child should be given the benefit of the doubt and be able to choose if it wants to go on with life.

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Originally posted by Lira I wouldn't go that far either, because this is not just a "rational" problem. Although rationally it might not seem to be a good idea to grow up in a family devoid of love, there's the instict for survival and the possibility to find a heaven outside the family, among other possibilities. That's why the child should be given the benefit of the doubt and be able to choose if it wants to go on with life.

It can't do that until its far too late to abort it.

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Originally posted by astroboy I've got no problem with abortion. I don't think it is the same as murder. I don't think killing a fetus is the same as killing a person. *runs for the hills*

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov Well, rape for starters. My stance on abortion isn't firmly entrenched. I do believe it should be legal in the US on the sole basis of rape victims though. However, I have seen some fairly convincing arguments for 1st trimester abortions in terms of socio-economics, drug usage, etc. But those are all subjective, and I'm not sure I want to wade into a debate on abortion when I myself am not sure just how far I'm willing to go with this argument.

It's alright... I'm in a bit of a hurry myself and I'm actually looking forward to hearing critics against my arguments in order to refine (or drop) them.

As for rape, I guess the best example I've been ever told came from a science teacher, back in 8th grade. Her cousin (or something) was raped, and she was deeply confused because she really wouldn't want to bear the child of someone who had violated her, but she was also aware of the fact that the child had nothing to do with the act (other than being born because of it).

She then had the child, gave it away for adoption and would visit the child every now and then. Eventually, she got attached to the child and found a way to adopt him/her (I really don't remember whether it was a girl or a boy). But, even if she had decided not to adopt this child, she would have a chance of being adopted by someone else (whereas the child would virtually have no chance at all after an abortion).

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good luck with that.

I'm all for abortions as there are too many fucking people on this planet already.

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Originally posted by Masonious you win again dude - and nice move shoving the whole i figured out how to order pizza thing in my face. i tried that 4 and a half months ago and woke up with a Taiwanese transvestite but to Ygrene it's just, "anoother day in the life, noooo biggieee".

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Originally posted by Sunsnail It can't do that until its far too late to abort it.

Well, that's exactly the point

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Originally posted by Lira Well, that's exactly the point

Well actually that argument is flawed as well, because its illegal to commit suicide. So once you are born, you cannot legally choose not to go on with life.

would you bring a child to the world knowing that you dont have the resources to maintain it?

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Originally posted by Fast Turtle good luck with that. I'm all for abortions as there are too many fucking people on this planet already.

I remember stating this to my friend who is anti-choice/"pro-life" and she flipped out on me for being "insensitive".