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| quote: | Originally posted by mysticalninja
no. ALOT of vengeance kicks are derived from samples off records, at least 50% of your vengeance kicks are vinyl rips he processed that someone probably ripped before him. that is why at least half of them have percussion present over the kick.
the fattest dirtiest crunchiest kicks are 808/909's processed, pressed to vinyl, ripped by someone, re processed, maybe layered if its recently made, and repeated for the last 10+ years. until we got here, the 21st century where someones done it for you and put it on a sample cd which they made by processing kicks from other sample cds. so now thats where you come in thinking all kicks come from so you dont believe you can get fat kicks off vinyl.
fact: manuel from vengeance made all his kicks processing other kicks he found on the internet, vinyls, and various sample cds, no he didnt create his kicks from scratch in wavelab or soundforge by pitching sine waves. go ahead and ask him. that shit only works for pussy ass psy kicks. if you want to try to recreate a 909 and then try to recreate the crunchy compression and low end thump vinyl gives a 909, GL and HF.
all these kick sample cds you guys have, come from people who rip the kick from the intro of every new vinyl they buy, even if theyre not gonna use it, they know it could be a good layer maybe. as long as your kick collection grows.
i have NEVER heard a decent kick come out of a wav editor.
btw doesnt sean tyas use alot of vengeance loops? chances are its a vengeance kick slightly processed to fit his song.
bottom line: ripping your own kick off vinyl and processing it to fit your song is more original than using a vengeance kick. you're just skipping the middle man. |
So you want to ignore what's actually making the kicks fat, and attribute it to a completely false claim?
Let me tell you what part of that process is making those "fat" kicks: The fact that they've been layered and processed 10 billion times. Every sound in the audible range has been added, subtracted, excited, compressed and EQ'd until the kick is finally left as a veritable supersaw-like punch. When will people realize that vinyl adds nothing to a sound? It's not like it's rocket science here.
The "fattest" kicks are made by taking a 909 kick (which is pretty much the "descending sine wave" that you slate in your post), layering it with processed snares, blue noise, hats and fuck-all (if you really want to make it sound "vinyly," add some AC hum, since that's all vinyl can give you), running it through a tube amp, EQing up the midrange, compressing the whole shebang, and then EQing again to fit the tune.
But why do all that? It'll make the kick fat and big and thick, but it won't make it good. My favorite kicks are all ones with not much high range, and a whole lot of oomph between 20 and 60 Hz. The sub-bass is what makes kicks awesome. The sound in the midrange is only there so that the kick can attack quickly. I think these kicks are excellent kicks, and nothing you say can change that. So if you want a kick that eats up frequencies like a monster, go ahead, but it's really all about what you want.
And psy kicks are not pussy. They tend to be bassier than the standard pop kick because all of their volume is thrown into the low range, not across the board.
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