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Originally posted by DevilDogUSMC "He kept that bag of snakes in order" Yeah with fear, torture, and an iron hand. Something us and our Iraqi allies aren't willing to stoop down to...

Yeah, you're doing far worse rightnow LOL. Atleast Saddam wasn't picking random civilians to do that to.

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"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

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Originally posted by Lilith http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Brecher Oh good greif... Gee, we should really take this one seriously.

I can imagine entering his house...back issues of Guns & Ammo lying around, movie posters from Red Dawn, Rambo, Deer Hunter, etc. Maybe even some used shell casings he picked up at the local Army/Navy store. If you dig real deep you'll probably find some Star Trek memorabilia.

At least post the complete nonsensical piece of garbage.

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...Blaming Saddam for being what he was is like blaming a rattlesnake for killing. That's how it lives, and it's what that Crocodile Hunter guy would've called "a bee-YOO-tiful ambush predator." Saddam was right for Iraq the way a Sidewinder is right for the Mojave. The NeoCons scared us by shaking his fangs in our faces, as if Saddam planned to bite every single commuter in LA, when all he wanted to do was stay alive and in power -- because those were the same thing for him -- in the Iraqi desert, where everything stings, sticks or bites. We may as well have gone on a crusade to wipe out all the snakes and spiders in the desert for being what they are. Only difference is, we wouldn't have lost 3000 soldiers that way. Until we hooked him out of his burrow, the only thing Saddam had really done to America has hand us our most glorious victory since Inchon, in Gulf War I. He was like a lot of Third-World rulers: great at internal security but hopeless at conventional war. Like a rattler, he was totally harmless to anybody with the brains God gave a stray dog. Meaning, anybody but Bush and Cheney. Those dudes remind me of this Darwin-Award winner who went to the hereafter on Lake Berryessa. He was fishing, noticed a rattler swimming beside his boat, grabbed it -- and when his fishing buddy told him to throw it away, this genius said, "Oh, no, it's harmless -- look!" and held it up to his face to show how harmless it was. The snake did us all a favor and took his genes out of the pool by biting him right on the nose, and he died before his buddy could power back to shore. That was Saddam's last favor to us: showing us -- the hard way, no denying that -- how flat-out stupid our bigwigs really are. Bush is standing up at the podium every press conference with that rattler dangling from his nose like a mega-booger, yelping, "I'm fine, I'm fine!" but one of these days, and none too soon, he'll pass out and pass on, thanks to Saddam. We did Saddam an accidental favor in return by giving him a rare old-school death. Maybe that's not important for some of you moral-types but it would be to my heroes. It would matter to John Paul Jones, it would matter to Alexander, it would matter to Subotai, and it matters to me. I wish I could have a death like that. Instead I'll die the same way you will, tubes coming out of my fat carcass, leaning over to watch the cardio beeper zig when it's supposed to zag, scared out of my head and ashamed to look down at this civilian belly hyperventilating its last chickenshit breaths. Not Saddam. We may not have meant to, but we showed him the ultimate respect. And he deserved it. He's wherever the real men go; where Pancho Villa went, and Patton, and Richthofen. Not heaven, but someplace way, way better.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Yeah, you're doing far worse rightnow LOL. Atleast Saddam wasn't picking random civilians to do that to.

Are you accusing DevilDog of deliberately targeting innocent civilians?

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Originally posted by Shakka Are you accusing DevilDog of deliberately targeting innocent civilians?

He tries to be an A*Hole to me everytime I post and
takes his hatred of bush and our military out on me...

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Originally posted by Shakka Are you accusing DevilDog of deliberately targeting innocent civilians?

No, not him personaly. But maybe I should.

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"The Greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." -Stephen Hawking
"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

Hey thanks for article/thread. Appreciate.

I watched that execution vedio too.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z No, not him personaly. But maybe I should.

Yeah like you don't already. When you disagree with
something I post you go 'shouldn't you be raping a
boy right now?'...

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Originally posted by DevilDogUSMC Yeah like you don't already. When you disagree with something I post you go 'shouldn't you be raping a boy right now?'...

LOL, what? Listen man, I don't really have a problem with you personally per se. I'm sure you could even be a really nice guy. I just can't stand your political views, and in general, can't stand the military (of any nation mind you), especially a super power. It isn't anything more than muscle of the state really, and it requres brainwashing young men & women into obedience and filling their head with nationalistic propaganda garbage to make them better killing machines. I dont' have stupid sentimental attatchment to murderers like that. I'm certainly not going to shed any tears when one of them get killed in war. They can fucking die for all I care. They're just decorated and socially accepted thugs. That the oversimplified version of it. But I hope you get out and complete your higher education so you have a better life that doesn't involve servitude. I'd truly be happy for you if you were to do that . One less life wasted as I see it.

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"The Greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." -Stephen Hawking
"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

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Originally posted by DevilDogUSMC "He kept that bag of snakes in order" Yeah with fear, torture, and an iron hand. Something us and our Iraqi allies aren't willing to stoop down to...

While I agree with you to a point, I don't think American (and allies) hands are totally clean in this matter.

Extraordinary rendition, waterboarding, outsourcing torture to other countries (Maher Arar case in particular), people being jailed in Gauntanamo without representation or charge....

Nevermind the domestic civil liberties that have been affected: domestic surveilance being the most notable.

The party line that we all hear is that these things are all necessary in waging the "War on Terrar!" though to me it's just a case of semantics and p/r spin. They're trying to put a clean, friendly label on the methods and tactics that are also shared by "the enemy". No, the US or it's allies don't go rounding up people, binding their hands and killing them. But the Shia and Sunni militias do, and the people within the Iraqi administration have some affiliation to these groups though they apparently cannot control them.

Can they simply not control them or do they not want to control them (for now)? I honestly don't know where I sit on this question. It's such a complex issue that runs down to old religious and tribal affiliations and I'm not sure that we in the west have the best understanding of some of the motivation behind a lot of the hate and aggression.

I've been out for years, was a lowly Reservist in the
4th Marine Air Wing.

Anywho, you must agree Armed Forces are neccesary in
this day and age as we do not live in a Utopia.
That being said, what you call brainwashing, when we
have total hatred for our enemies, the 'Warriors mentality'.
That's what keeps us alive when shit hits the fan. You
must have total hatred for your enemy and give them ALL
you've got.

That will 1. Help you and your people live, and 2. Overwhelm
them so much the war would be over quicker. We don't like
war but when there is war it must be total and absolute so
it can be over quicker with the least amount of bloodshed
on BOTH sides.

We pray for peace but war has given us our way of living,
without bloodshed to keep us free, those who want to control
and oppress us will win, they will never cease being people
like that as much as we wish the world was a kind gentle place.

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Well, I'm cetainly no pacisfist. And a "military" is kind of an essential element to any society, for obvious reasons. The only problem is fighting false wars for false causes at the discretion of those in power. Most wars have absolutely nothing to do with selfdefence, and this isn't limited to power nations/empires/whatever. The reason I get so ticked off is because at the end of the day everyone is responsible for the consequences of their actions and inactions. I used to be very sympathetic towards lots of people in vairous positions, but when they choose that for themselves, I can't help but hold them accountable for it and that's where my sympathy end. Because you cant give life back once you're taken it.

Hating your enemy is the worst thing you could do, and I'm being serious. It only dehumanized yourself and you lose a part of yourself every time you take a life in that state of mind. Hating a group of people isn't required when your cause is a just one (i.e. selfdfence). Because it doesn't weigh on your conciense that way, when you have no choice but to take up arms to defend yourself/your country/whatever. But it's required indoctrination for a state that unjustifiably uses (a portion) of it's population as cannonfodder to fight it's wars which have nothing to do with defence.

There's a fine line between discipline/structure and brainwashing/indoctrination. Manking is so easy to manipulate. Don't be a victim of that.

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"The Greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." -Stephen Hawking
"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

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Originally posted by Krypton Saddam was egotistical. That doesn't make him any more of a man than anyone else. That explains his actions. Violence seems to be the universal language of the middle east.

Violence or rather one sided aggression is the only word of American foreign policy and that's the main reason why they are saying lies to invade others as they believe in their military supremacy so much which has already backfired on them in Iraq . USA has been exposed as Nazi NMengele type propaganda able to fool for a while a lot of its own populace as well as many others willingly or not. Now that they are seriously losing on the battlefield they want to cut and run

Last edited by erdega on Jan-07-2007 at 19:12