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Marc Summers
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Registered: Jan 2005
Location: New York, USA

I hope people don't vote for him just because he's black and a democrat. I'll wait for the debates to decide who gets my vote.


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Q5echo
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Registered: Feb 2004
Location: Dallas

finally, a candidate that won't make the NAACP cringe with paradoxical embarassment when he comes pandering to them.

they can base semi-confidently their vote on his record and values instead of comprimising for sake of the Donkey party.

Old Post Jan-17-2007 01:21  United States
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Q5echo
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It's early in the season, so we'll cut him some slack, but it isn't the job of the President to work on eliminating the partisan bitterness in politics. Most of that revolves around Congress anyway, and Obama would have more impact working on that goal from his current position -- which to be fair, he has. The President's job is to run the executive branch -- and for that task, we generally don't find a lack of experience to be an asset.

Obama has little choice but to latch onto the "change the tone" banner for this election. What else could he campaign on? He has served two years of his first term in the Senate, which is also his first two years in Congress at all. He hasn't served in any other national capacity. In fact, he has done little in foreign affairs at all except to demand a precipitous withdrawal from Iraq, and considering that foreign policy is one of the areas under the full purview of the White House, that lack of experience seems much less an asset than a liability.

Granted, the Democrats want to find a candidate who can capture the imagination of the American electorate, but one would hope that they wouldn't run an imaginary executive in order to do so. Unfortunately, it looks like we'll get two, the other being John Edwards, who almost served one full term in public office before running for President in 2004. Neither man has any executive experience, not even in the private sector, and between them they have eight years in national office. And yet, they rank #2 and #3 in straw polling for the Democratic Presidential nomination.

Obama is 45 years old. He has plenty of time to gain the experience and gravitas needed to lead the nation. He should run for governor in Illinois and build some executive entries for his resume, and show us he can run a state government before asking to take over the White House. I'm not inclined to give the keys to the business to Nick The New Guy, and Democrats should resist the temptation.

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Lilith
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In all seriousness I'd like to see someone from a minority ethnic group or a lady in the whitehouse running the show, the US is long overdue for some kind of drastic re-interpretation of what the country truly represents and it'll only happen if it's from the top. It may be painful for some to accept but I really do think it would breath fresh air into a stagnant old boys club which has done nothing, regardless of the conservative or democratic sides that theyre in, to further develop the country into being a nation that the inhabitants could be proud of. Rather than the vicious, military machine it's been since the second world war.
Now is a perfect time for the US to pull its head in, assess what it really should do for its people's welfare and the nation rather than playing the international cop.

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shaolin_Z
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In all seriousness I'd like to see someone from a minority ethnic group or a lady in the whitehouse running the show, the US is long overdue for some kind of drastic re-interpretation of what the country truly represents and it'll only happen if it's from the top. It may be painful for some to accept but I really do think it would breath fresh air into a stagnant old boys club which has done nothing, regardless of the conservative or democratic sides that theyre in, to further develop the country into being a nation that the inhabitants could be proud of. Rather than the vicious, military machine it's been since the second world war.
Now is a perfect time for the US to pull its head in, assess what it really should do for its people's welfare and the nation rather than playing the international cop.


I don't think gender or race will make the president of a super power less of an asshole corporate whore .


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Lilith
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I'd like to think for a moment that it could go back to what it was founded on rather than the machinations of money driven society it seems to be at the moment. Simply because I never agreed with the statement that 'its not what your country can do for you, its what you can do for your country'.
Because essentially people do deserve a country that they live in, work for and die for, to owe them something more than a token health care service and 2nd rate education system and equal oppertunity at the fundamental level.

Sure, that means winding back the military machine and stop outsourcing everything overseas to the lowest bidder, but it needs to be done

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shaolin_Z
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^^^ And put an end to private interests from running the political machinery. Just take a look at who provides funding for presidential campaigns. You basically don't stand a chance of getting elected unless you're a corporate puppet. I think it was Mussolini who coined the term "Corporofacism."


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Lilith
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I'm stunned when I hear numbers like 'billion dollars' being bandied around for election campains. It is a truly staggering amount of money and in the past I've looked at the numbers used on military spending and what it could be spent on in terms of civil engineering, education and housing, local jobs and industry.
It really is a gross misuse of money, even more so in the current global political climate which is comparatively mild compared to what it was during the cold war era when there was genuine opposition to the US.

Sadly, Hillary C isnt the lass for the job. You never trust any woman who wouldnt have hamstrung her husband after what he did!
It displays a distinct lack of proper emotional outbursts and clinical control from how the world expects you to honestly react...
So, maybe the Obama gentleman can bring something to the table which is genuine and not something which is influenced from the current powers in place. Probably not, but it couldnt hurt the worlds opinon of what the US represents to have a man from an ethnic minority up there instead of just another rich white boy who gerrymandered the voting machines, old dollars and daddy's influence

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shaolin_Z
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If I voted for anyone, it would be Nader. But I don't really agree with him on alot of things, nor do I think he has any chance of ever being elected. But atleast he has an anti-corporate stance.

EDIT: And he has a much better approach when it comes to foreign policy.


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Lilith
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Nader would be great, but to bring about any change to the US as a country with his ideas I think would need about 20 years and not the 4 that most have to work with, it's a fairly common problem I think with democracy. Admittedly the 4 year term does at least allow riff-raff and scurrilous types from being around too long, it also doesnt allow for long term reform which can sometimes take decades.
Long term ambition and projection seems to be a common failing in most modern democracies though.
Such is life.

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Omega_M
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Being a first black nominee, wouldn't the african american populations' votes lean towards this guy ? Do we know, who they traditionally vote for ?


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I mean, Gulliani is one of the greatest mayors NYC has ever had


Rudy is an idiot, he stands no chance against Obama, no matter how many times Rudy goes on to say "I was there on 9/11."

The Bush hole is too deep as well.


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