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Originally posted by Q5echo Where's the evidence of the so-called Iranian involvement against Americans in Iraq? None has been given, and you know it.

first off you don't know if these Iranians were diplomats as much as i don't know they are Iranian interlopers but if American forces just kidnapped these 5 Iraqis to taunt Iran knowing full well Iran won't start a conventional war with us, why in the hell would we risk face like this? why would we be so petty for such measly gains?

your logic only makes makes sense when Iran is expected to always play by the rules. you can't convince anybody of that. [/QUOTE]

Americans have showed, for a hundredth time, they can do anything they please and get away with it, like telling UN to buzz off before the invasion when the world was calling on the diplomatic solution while Americans pushed for an invasion. Plain and simple. And it was Iranian diplomats with political immunity. Yeah.

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Originally posted by Magnetonium And American soldiers kidnapping Iranian diplomats is fair game? Where's the evidence of the so-called Iranian involvement against Americans in Iraq? None has been given, and you know it. Why don't you answer properly my above points in previous post or rest your case. Diplomats in Iraq are doing their job, and if it wasnt essential they wouldn't be there. According to Americans, couple years back it was announced that major hostilities were over. I repeat a millionth time, under Geneva provisions its the duty of American forces to protect the embassies (even the Nazis didnt get so low as to capturing diplomats that have immunity IN their own embassies), this only seems that Americans are trying to provoke Iran into a war to blame that Iran started it.

You need to get your facts straight these Iranian citizens were not captured in their own embassy. The USA did not violate the sovereignty of Iran.

The USA, just as every other nation can arrest and detain diplomats (yes even ambassadors!) for illegal violations, from the mundane: speeding or jaywalking, to criminal offenses like murder, theft, or espionage.

The USA, being part of the occupying powers of Iraq similarly has the same powers vested on to it to detain or arrest any criminals it has probable cause to believe may be involved in a crime or has conducted a crime in Iraq. No diplomatic immunity can change that.

The USA can not however go into an embassy without that nation's permission in the quest to arrest a criminal. But it has not done that in this case.

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Originally posted by Yoepus You need to get your facts straight these Iranian citizens were not captured in their own embassy. The USA did not violate the sovereignty of Iran. The USA, just as every other nation can arrest and detain diplomats (yes even ambassadors!) for illegal violations, from the mundane: speeding or jaywalking, to criminal offenses like murder, theft, or espionage. The USA, being part of the occupying powers of Iraq similarly has the same powers vested on to it to detain or arrest any criminals it has probable cause to believe may be involved in a crime or has conducted a crime in Iraq. No diplomatic immunity can change that. The USA can not however go into an embassy without that nation's permission in the quest to arrest a criminal. But it has not done that in this case.

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"The five men were detained - along with one other who has now been released - at the Iranian liaison office in Irbil, in the northern, Kurdish part of Iraq.

Iran said the building was a consulate, but the US disagreed, saying it had no official diplomatic immunity, and nor did the men.
Mr Qomi said it was not the first such incident targeting Iranians in Iraq.

Late last year, US troops descended on Mr Hakim's residential compound in Baghdad and detained two Iranian officials. They were later released.

He said other diplomatic staff and Iranian businessmen had been detained in the past."






Maybe you're right. The actions of American troops are quite negative, they have yet to implicate the Iranians of any wrongdoing but are arresting their diplomats left and right. And more importantly, where's the evidence?

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Originally posted by Magnetonium Americans have showed, for a hundredth time, they can do anything they please and get away with it, like telling UN to buzz off before the invasion when the world was calling on the diplomatic solution while Americans pushed for an invasion. Plain and simple. And it was Iranian diplomats with political immunity. Yeah.

the UN wanted to maintain the status quo expoiting Oil for Food: THE LARGEST FRAUD IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD! and not lift a finger enforcing their own sanctions.

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Originally posted by Q5echo the UN wanted to maintain the status quo expoiting Oil for Food: THE LARGEST FRAUD IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD! and not lift a finger enforcing their own sanctions.

Lucky for you, that was discovered much later. Well, lets consider things now - Saddam and his brothers are dead, yet-another Al-Qaeda leader is killed, and according to you, democracy is in Iraq. Mission complete, right? Americans came in to disarm Saddam, right?

Well, now lets get those troops out. From now on its occupation. But I dont want to stirr this Iraq talk here, it wont get anywhere. One thing though, its blatantly obvious that after Saddam's death Americans are occupational forces.

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Originally posted by Magnetonium Lucky for you, that was discovered much later. Well, lets consider things now - Saddam and his brothers are dead, yet-another Al-Qaeda leader is killed, and according to you, democracy is in Iraq. Mission complete, right? Americans came in to disarm Saddam, right? Well, now lets get those troops out. From now on its occupation. But I dont want to stirr this Iraq talk here, it wont get anywhere. One thing though, its blatantly obvious that after Saddam's death Americans are occupational forces.

Call it what you want but the Iraqi people are getting their land back.
EOD.

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r Call it what you want but the Iraqi people are getting their land back. EOD.

Silly. They already had this land.
My guess will be that if they want anything to get back, it will be 'thousands of wasted lifes'.

After an American controlled Iraqi government signs a bill that will give all oil reserves to the US corporations, Iraq will become just another oil-pump nation for the US on a world map. Everybody will forget in a moment, what was going there and what for.

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r Call it what you want but the Iraqi people are getting their land back. EOD.

lol

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