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| quote: | Originally posted by mysticalninja
i think most big producers will agree its rare to use a kick without compressing it at all.. the punch in the kick is really important.
most samples you get are either raw from drum machines or drum kits (i.e. not enough dynamics for dance music) or off other records (i.e. already limited so lacking in dynamics)
if you think some people are using 9db or more gain reduction in limiting and compression on their masters, and the kick's the most prominant element, that means the kick they've used might have as much as 5-9db's of attack above the body of the sound - where a sampled kick is usually squashed right down
so it's actually quite rare you can even get hold of a kick or snare which doesn't require some degree of dynamics processing just to get it working properly |
Alright, seriously, retard hour is over now.
1. You aren't qualified to speak for most or any "big producers", so don't.
2. Compression limits dynamics, it does not add dynamics. Yes, you can use one as an expander, but that is completely irrelevant to anything said in this thread.
3. Very few kick samples used today come raw from a drum machine. I doubt very much if a single sample on any popular sample pack comes directly from a drum machine without processing. I know that you believe they're all sampled from other records, but I'll tell you again like so many others have told you, you're full of shit.
4. Nobody compresses or limits 9 dB out of a master track. That's insane, and would sound like utter shit. Even a kick doesn't get squashed that far, otherwise it will have a very long tail that sounds brutal, even in trance.
5. What could you possibly mean by the "body" of a sound in a kick? The entire sound is essentially a thump with a very quick falling amplitude envelope. Any other shape, and it's not really much of a kick now is it?
6. I never said that kicks, snares, or any other samples don't require processing or compression. Most of the time they do. I just said that compression has nothing to do with the "punchiness" of a kick, and it doesn't. As jex pointed out, that's done with EQ and specifically the falling pitch envelope on some element of the kick. Play your punchiest kicks a few times and you'll hear that pitch bend - it's got nothing to do with compression.
7. Given the shape of a kick, compression helps make the peak longer. This in effect makes it sound "bigger". That is the only really useful thing you can do to a kick with a compressor, and using a release that's equal to or greater than the length of the entire kick will almost completely negate this effect.
Are we done yet?
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Re your question 3rd signal, compressor settings dont really work in a signal chain as such... I guess it sorta goes like 
Gate is something which you use when you have a noisy signal, it cuts out all signal under a certain level, its often thrown on the same plugin as compressors, but it actually does the opposite thing. Of course gate isnt just used for cutting out hum and noise, you can also use it to get a heavier, tighter guitar sound, tighter drums sounds, pluckyer pads, whatever, you get the picture. I didnt understand the metaphor about cows at all
