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Originally posted by Fir3start3r I'm sure it's no different that Islamic extremists ruining Islam but of course you won't see that posted here (or heaven forbid even suggested by those posted here thus far).

Islamist exteremists this and that, stfu already your arguments are so fuckin lame.

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interesting read.

i'm in south america now and ive met ALOT of Israelis down in the Patagonian Andes (they love trekking) some of them are great fun to hang around (ive done a few treks with them) although they normally travel in groups and are extremely cliquey. I find their mentalities fascinating, my friend from San Francisco calls it "group think" but considering they've just done a few years military service you cant blame them for their indoctrination (id have the same group mentality if i was forced into their situation at such a young and impressionable age) but every now and again you meet an Israeli who has a very different viewpoint to that forcefead upon them by their military; one Israeli girl was telling me how you were a hundred times more likely to get hit by a car than a rocket fired into Israel from Palestine but the IDF used this as an excuse to justify their brutal oppression against the Palestinians.

Ive learnt alot about the average Israeli these last two months (considering there are so many down here to talk and travel with) and ive managed to help a few Israelis see both sides of the conflict (which is very hard but im very good with words ) the majority of them however are too heavily ingrained with everything their Media, Army, Parents, and Peer Group have led them to believe - which of course is a shame but i guess i would have the same problem trying to help Palestinians see the average Israelis view of this conflict

but im yet to meet a Palestinian travelling abroad, and as long as theyre trapped by the shackles of poverty and oppression i doubt i ever will

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r True. But then there's already tons of that already going on here. I simply can't side with Islamic radicalism when it has more relevance to me than Zionism. I emphasize 'to me' not to say that Zionism isn't bad however Zionism isn't why we (Canada) have soldiers in Afghanistan or Iraq. Zionism didn't tighten airport security around the world. Zionism isn't cutting the heads off of innocent people. Zionism isn't planting bombs in London or Madrid. Zionism isn't responsible for the deaths of millions of people in conflicts around the World; radical Islam wins that by a land slide. You say I choose sides, I agree with you.

Christian extremists have done FAR worse than these trivial muslim terrorists.

Dont even get me started on the current destruction that extremist in the white house is causing.

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Thanks for sharing. It was a very interesting read. I think I agree with most of the things Magnetonium said.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Engaging in modern colonialism, genocide, theft, displacement, and justifying it all on top of that. I'd hardly call it secular when someone doesn't enjoy the same rights if he/she is not Jewish.

Who have they genocided? Who have they colonized?

And how have the acts zionist have done, 50, 100 years ago prejudice Jews today?

(should I prejudice my German friends today by what their grandfathers did 50, 60, 70 years ago?)

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Originally posted by Yoepus Who have they genocided? Who have they colonized? And how have the acts zionist have done, 50, 100 years ago prejudice Jews today?

Are you refering to this thread? Because you're question is somewhat awkwardly phrased and that's how I interpreted it.

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Originally posted by Yoepus (should I prejudice my German friends today by what their grandfathers did 50, 60, 70 years ago?)

Dude, come on. You already know I don't have any prejudices when it comes to the Jewish people. I don't equate Zionism with being Jewish, I've stated that several times before. It pains me to see you might actually think that.

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You know what, fuck it. If you guys are too dense and brainwashed to understand a thing, that's really not my fault.

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Originally posted by Cyrus King Christian extremists have done FAR worse than these trivial muslim terrorists. Dont even get me started on the current destruction that extremist in the white house is causing.

Trivial? Wow.

Extremist? hahaaha, now I know you're trippin!

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r Trivial? Wow. Extremist? hahaaha, now I know you're trippin!

Yes.. the terrorists are causing mass deaths that are equivalent to the US's track record! lol

you honestly think that Muslims have killed more people in their terrorist campaigns then the US administration???

Bush isnt an extremist??? LOOOOOOOOOL..

glad you are one of the few left supporting this guy. Even the rednecks are beginning to outnumber you

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z You know what, fuck it. If you guys are too dense and brainwashed to understand a thing, that's really not my fault.

Chill out and go take a pill your psychiatrist prescirbed to you.

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Originally posted by Cyrus King Yes.. the terrorists are causing mass deaths that are equivalent to the US's track record! lol you honestly think that Muslims have killed more people in their terrorist campaigns then the US administration??? Bush isnt an extremist??? LOOOOOOOOOL.. glad you are one of the few left supporting this guy. Even the rednecks are beginning to outnumber you

Truth!

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