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Originally posted by MisterOpus1 Someone needs to cut up your GOP's credit card, and hopefully the Dems will do just that.

so your gonna put all your faith in the Dems spending practices? ok.

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But what can you expect from a wounded, laim duck?

to do everything in his power to achieve. thats what i expect.


this is not your war Opus. don't let Webb pretend it is for you.

No it's not Opus's or Jim Webb's war..that's true. It's Bush's war...and a few Republicans who still support it. The Dems want a balanced budget, like Clinton had in the 1990s. And this is what Bush mentioned, but he wont even be in office to truly see it accomplished and it was just another talking point among many. If anything to achieve it, he will work with the Republicans to cut funding to a lot of services and programs, many that include health care (medicare, medicaid), education (except No Child Left Behind, though it's hardly funded anyways), and possibly other areas in which people rely on, who knows. Definitely not raising taxes.

So it's up to you..if you'd rather have various services provided and pay slightly higher taxes, or have programs and services cut. Since your obviously a Conservative Republican(I read a lot of threads on here) you would support the cutting of services and programs vs. a slight tax increases, esp on the upper class/wealthy. There's nothing wrong with you thinking that, you can believe what you want. However, MisterOpus and I, and I am sure some others on here...wouldn't agree.

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Originally posted by Q5echo so your gonna put all your faith in the Dems spending practices? ok.

Well considering the last President preceeding Bush understood the concept of balancing the budget, and did it rather well with a budget surplus, and considering the record of economies being consistently better under Democratic Presidents, yeah, I'm happy as a clam to put my faith in the Dems.

What, you want me to put my faith in you fucking Republicans who put us in this fucking hole in the first place, and a president who's NEVER ONCE proposed a balance budget every year, NEVER ONCE vetoed a spending bill created by the GOP Congress with all the pork to go with it, and has the record of having the BIGGEST government ever?

Gosh, how silly of me to want to trust someone else with my country's money?

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to do everything in his power to achieve. thats what i expect.

Ahh yes, his record on this war has clearly shown that thus far. Damn my blindness.

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this is not your war Opus. don't let Webb pretend it is for you.

Did Powerline come up with that cute little line for you to use, Q? Really, do you have any sense as to what on earth you are fucking talking about?

Of course this is my war, dumbass. This is EVERY AMERICAN CITIZEN'S war. This assclown of a president put us in this debacle, and he put us ALL in it. Not just the military and their loved one, asshole.

But then again, considering he refuses to ask anyone to enlist to help fight his cause at a time when our military officials state that our armed forces are being stretched to the point of breaking, I guess I can see where the confusion lies, but I digress.

This is ALL of our war.

This is MY security at stake while we divert so much resources away from the rest of the war on terror (you know, that whole bin Laden thingy? Remember that?),

MY fucking taxdollars being spent,

MY fucking country's integrity with the rest of the world,

MY fucking friends who's loved ones are being sent away AGAIN AND AGAIN with fucking PTSD, anxiety, and a slew of other psychologic problems but the fucking military gives two shits about that and sends them anyway,

And will soon be MY fucking job ordering prosthetic limbs and rehabing veterans who've come back fighting bravely in that war.

So do us all a fucking favor for once and stop talking out of your ass, just this once, Q.

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That's true too, it is all of our war that we have had to sacrifice for...pay for. However, it is the war that Bush chose, it's not the war that was needed..was neccessary. It was a war of choice. It wasn't the true war, our war, the War on Terror. It's added to the War on Terror, by creating more terrorists. And this is what the supporters of it fail to realize. The whole "fighting them over there so they don't have to fight them here" is a load of BS, cause you can fight them abroad all you want, but they are still capable of attacking us while our resources are being put over there.

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Originally posted by MisterOpus1 Well considering the last President preceeding Bush understood the concept of balancing the budget, and did it rather well with a budget surplus

That's not entirely true if you look at the real numbers, but according to "Washington numbers" it was the case. For some reason numbers in Washington are much different for who ever is in charge than they are for the rest of us. Allan Sloan broke this down while Clinton was still in office, and talked about it again not too long ago in a Newsweek article that I can't find now while he was blasting Bush for doing something stupid.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-sr...es/op051397.htm

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Originally posted by WM2 That's not entirely true if you look at the real numbers, but according to "Washington numbers" it was the case. For some reason numbers in Washington are much different for who ever is in charge than they are for the rest of us. Allan Sloan broke this down while Clinton was still in office, and talked about it again not too long ago in a Newsweek article that I can't find now while he was blasting Bush for doing something stupid. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-sr...es/op051397.htm

Even if that's the case, was it still not comparably better?

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Orbax At that point you kind of crossed the rubicon and you might as well lay siege to Rome

I LOVED the speech, I mean, it was the greatest speeach i'v ever heard/ you guys should learn tow to enjoy this speech for next years speech

HOW TO ENJOY THE STATE OF THE UNION

i'm gonaa have a ****** of a hangover tomorrow.

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Originally posted by Rhuckus I LOVED the speech, I mean, it was the greatest speeach i'v ever heard/ you guys should learn tow to enjoy this speech for next years speech HOW TO ENJOY THE STATE OF THE UNION i'm gonaa have a ****** of a hangover tomorrow.

A few of my buds were playing this, OMG they were toast. I had to go to work, but got many a Drunk Dial.

terror (however it’s pronounced) small 1

Thats kind of lucky in a way, you'd be cut in the first 3 minutes
Probably not as much as if you had to take a mouthfull everytime at a press conferance he said 'um', then you'd be getting your stomach pumped at 5 minute intervals.
('Um' is a pet hate, it denotes poor breeding and slowness of mind)

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the First Lady 1

Think thats almost a drink until blind call there isnt it?

Ted Kennedy drink until your liver cries

rofl!

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Originally posted by Q5echo so your gonna put all your faith in the Dems spending practices? ok.

No, let's give it back to the GOP. The had wonderful spending practices. You still have faith in them, regardless of their track record?

Thought it looked stupid with all people applauding him after one stupid thing after another

After you are bankrupt by spending all your Political Capital and expired your Mandate according to his spokesmen after the 2004 elections that they claimed to have, you then come to congress preaching bipartisanship after years of a Republican president, a Republican congress where none of those aforementioned concepts in that tripe of a speech had any traction. I say he can migrate his lame duck behind into further oblivion.

I am wondering how many Republican supporters would have accepted what has happened to this nation had a Democratic President pursued such an ill informed path as Iraq. Rest assured the lines wouldn't be cut and run and freedom and democracy for Iraqis. As a fomrer Republican supporter I should know. This once balanced and substantive party has become entrapped in its own filth domestically and well Iraq speaks for itself.

Keep on fighting the good fight in your mind Mr. Bush, the American people may have not voted for failure in the Iraq war but then yet again do you even know what they voted for, because your Vice President certainly doesn't seem to care, just another reason the bums got thrown out of Congress. 08' is closer than we may believe. That is what I think of the State of the Union.

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