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Originally posted by Fir3start3r I would say they have to the right to refuse, but they certainly are going about it strangely...

Or perhaps they just don't want drunken yobs vomitting over their means of income?

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Originally posted by DJ Mikey Mike Social outcasts are often of the opinion that they must have a drink before being able to loosen up with their inhibitions, thus being able to have a good time. There's a word that sums up this sort of behaviour, and that word is 'reject.'

They should just take the next container to somalia and fuck off

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You do have to comend them for sticking to their beliefs, but part of the reason why people come here is to find a better way of life. Where anywhere in this so strict they're willing to lose business are they creating for themselves a better way of life? Seems to me more like they're trying to have their cake and eat it too by living in a country like ours yet trying to make it like home. The whole faith despite the consequences attitude is refreshing, but at the same time you have to wonder about their reason for being here and what they tell themselves considering they probably take issue with many parts of our society if they're unwilling to transport someone with alcohol.

Man, I need fly to minneapolis so that I can buy alcohol, sneak it into a muslim cabbie's car, and then after he drops me off bust it out and yell, "haha sucker, you just transported alcohol so now you're totally going to hell!"

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Originally posted by Arbiter Man, I need fly to minneapolis so that I can buy alcohol, sneak it into a muslim cabbie's car, and then after he drops me off bust it out and yell, "haha sucker, you just transported alcohol so now you're totally going to hell!"

Cabbie: Jokes on you sucker! I'm a Sikh!

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Originally posted by WM2 You do have to comend them for sticking to their beliefs, but part of the reason why people come here is to find a better way of life. Where anywhere in this so strict they're willing to lose business are they creating for themselves a better way of life? Seems to me more like they're trying to have their cake and eat it too by living in a country like ours yet trying to make it like home. The whole faith despite the consequences attitude is refreshing, but at the same time you have to wonder about their reason for being here and what they tell themselves considering they probably take issue with many parts of our society if they're unwilling to transport someone with alcohol.

I agree that the cabbies should be commended for sticking to their beliefs despite the economic consequences but I have trouble with the "why are they here if they don't want to be just like us" attitude I hear all the time. First I'd like to remind you that the U.S.A. once had prohibition of alcohol itself (remember that?) and there are still a few counties that are dry if I'm not mistaken so you can't say that opposition to alcohol is an un-American ideal. And try and have a little empathy for these people. Suppose one day some horrible calamity happened in America and you had to flee the country and run up to Canada for your lives. Would you appreciate someone telling you you couldn't play baseball or eat hot dogs or do whatever it is that makes an American American, even though you weren't hurting anyone and you were making a contribution to your new country? I don't think so! The cabbies aren't telling anyone they can't drink or have a mickey of JD sticking out of their pocket at all times, they just don't want it around them. So more power to 'em!

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Originally posted by Spliffire I agree that the cabbies should be commended for sticking to their beliefs despite the economic consequences but I have trouble with the "why are they here if they don't want to be just like us" attitude I hear all the time.

I never said they had to be exactly like us. It just makes me curious when I hear about stuff like this. The first thing that comes to mind is what else they take issue with in our society. It's not a judging mindset. I'm just a curious guy. I like to pick peoples brains and figure them out.

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First I'd like to remind you that the U.S.A. once had prohibition of alcohol itself (remember that?) and there are still a few counties that are dry if I'm not mistaken so you can't say that opposition to alcohol is an un-American ideal.

Yeah. A really dumb idea promoted by a conservative agenda in response to the "sin" of the kids in the early 20th century. The best part about you mentioning that is the Church rationalized prohibition with scripture which strikes a really odd parallel with the cabbies. Hell, the KKK even promoted it. Finally, the government realized how much money they were spending on trying to crack down on something they couldn't stop with no tax money to do it and passed the 21st amendment. It's even been commonly noted that drinking rates actually went up during prohibition.

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And try and have a little empathy for these people. Suppose one day some horrible calamity happened in America and you had to flee the country and run up to Canada for your lives. Would you appreciate someone telling you you couldn't play baseball or eat hot dogs or do whatever it is that makes an American American, even though you weren't hurting anyone and you were making a contribution to your new country? I don't think so! The cabbies aren't telling anyone they can't drink or have a mickey of JD sticking out of their pocket at all times, they just don't want it around them. So more power to 'em!

There is no need for empathy. They aren't suffering. They're just being difficult and loseing out on income.

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Originally posted by WM2 There is no need for empathy. They aren't suffering. They're just being difficult and loseing out on income.

Really there is no need to feel sorry for them, this is thier choice, they choose not to drive certain people. Its like a someone that keeps picking at a scab, you choose to pick so you will suffer the pain of an infection. Should I feel sorry for them???

Nope, not one bit..... but I do admire thier stand in thier beliefs. but that is all,

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Originally posted by WM2 There is no need for empathy. They aren't suffering. They're just being difficult and loseing out on income.

Fair enough, and of course you don't have to feel for anyone you don't want to. Beyond this specific situation though, I still feel empathy for most immigrants, especially non white immigrants, in the U.S. (and up here as well) considering the high levels of racism and xenophobia currently on the loose. But like I said, you don't have to give a shit if you don't want to.

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Yeah. A really dumb idea promoted by a conservative agenda in response to the "sin" of the kids in the early 20th century. The best part about you mentioning that is the Church rationalized prohibition with scripture which strikes a really odd parallel with the cabbies. Hell, the KKK even promoted it. Finally, the government realized how much money they were spending on trying to crack down on something they couldn't stop with no tax money to do it and passed the 21st amendment. It's even been commonly noted that drinking rates actually went up during prohibition.

I wonder how long it'll take the government to realize the current prohibition of drugs is as much or even more of a failure than alcohol prohibition? You'd figure they would have learned the lesson the first time around. Does the KKK support the War on Drugs?

They know the war on drugs is totally lost but they won't let it go because it brings in funding and lets them fill prisons with brown people.

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Originally posted by Spliffire Re: Prohibition I wonder how long it'll take the government to realize the current prohibition of drugs is as much or even more of a failure than alcohol prohibition? You'd figure they would have learned the lesson the first time around. Does the KKK support the War on Drugs?

It's funny you mention that because many groups use it as an example as to why the war on drugs is a complete failure. The Feds do make tons of money off of it though, so they keep up the guise that they're really just trying to protect us.