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Originally posted by UWM So you'd rather have a foster child shipped off to a home with a shitty mother and father than to a family of two dads or moms who are willing to give the child love and support?

There are plenty of decent childless couples out who are unable to conceive children who should adopt. Shipping a kid off to a same sex union is setting a child up for a hard time. Imagine on parents evening or picking the kid up at the school gates.

If kids were educated properly and told to be responsible for their actions we wouldn't even have this adoption debate.

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I don't see a problem so long as the relationship is stable & healthy for the kid. You see so many single parents now & their kids often run riot and have no discipline.

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Originally posted by Az what do you give to the paedophile who has everything? a bigger parish

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i say you ship those children to the desert island that CORe is stranded on, then we don't have to kill one of our own and have some sweet tender child meat for dinner... ohh snap, look at that, reference to one of my threads. suck my shit, that's right suck on my shit like a gay man would.

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Originally posted by Dj O'Callaghan There are plenty of decent childless couples out who are unable to conceive children who should adopt. Shipping a kid off to a same sex union is setting a child up for a hard time. Imagine on parents evening or picking the kid up at the school gates. If kids were educated properly and told to be responsible for their actions we wouldn't even have this adoption debate.

I never said that there weren't couples who were unable to conceive, and subsequently would be willing and fitting matches for adoption.

What I did say was that, in my opinion, a child who is adopted by a loving, supportive gay couple is better off that a child who is sent to foster care under a family who couldn't care less about that child's welfare.

Should a man or woman be disallowed the right to raise children because of their sexual predisposition?

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Originally posted by UWM So you'd rather have a foster child shipped off to a home with a shitty mother and father than to a family of two dads or moms who are willing to give the child love and support?

If these 'shitty mothers and fathers' had half a mind, they should be able to realise how bad their paretal skills are and do something about it. If not, then they shouldn't have the right to be parents in any circumstances.

I have nothing against the gay community, I know a few people who are gay and I'm sure there are plenty who would make good parents but my opinion stands; it's the child's welfare I'm more concerned about.

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Originally posted by Dj O'Callaghan There are plenty of decent childless couples out who are unable to conceive children who should adopt. Shipping a kid off to a same sex union is setting a child up for a hard time. Imagine on parents evening or picking the kid up at the school gates. If kids were educated properly and told to be responsible for their actions we wouldn't even have this adoption debate.

Not to mention the potential psychological effects on the kid while he's growing up, outside of school and being made fun of.

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Originally posted by pvdAngel If these 'shitty mothers and fathers' had half a mind, they should be able to realise how bad their paretal skills are and do something about it. If not, then they shouldn't have the right to be parents in any circumstances. I have nothing against the gay community, I know a few people who are gay and I'm sure there are plenty who would make good parents but my opinion stands; it's the child's welfare I'm more concerned about.

You seem to be missing the point. Either that, or you're completely clueless to the state of social services. Maybe it's just something that happens in the states, but there are many foster families who are not fit for raising children but do so anyways.

You think a child will have more issues if he or she is bounced around and neglected by heterosexual couples than if he or she has to take a bit of flak from his or her schoolmates? You really believe that?

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Originally posted by UWM Should a man or woman be disallowed the right to raise children because of their sexual predisposition?

Not taking a side here, but...

That's not the issue that they're debating. They're debating whether two members of the same sex can provide for a child an appropriate living environment. They're saying that, even with a healthy, loving relationship between the parents, it would not be a healthy arrangement for any child. It's not a discriminatory issue--it's one about what is best for the child.

I'm not agreeing or disagreeing--just clarifying.

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Originally posted by UWM I never said that there weren't couples who were unable to conceive, and subsequently would be willing and fitting matches for adoption. What I did say was that, in my opinion, a child who is adopted by a loving, supportive gay couple is better off that a child who is sent to foster care under a family who couldn't care less about that child's welfare. Should a man or woman be disallowed the right to raise children because of their sexual predisposition?

I agree with the point your making about Foster homes and I'm sure there is gay couples who'd raise children very well.

I just think it's unfair on the child. They'd get it ripped out of them at school and given a really s*itty time.

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Originally posted by Inconspicuous Not taking a side here, but... That's not the issue that they're debating. They're debating whether two members of the same sex can provide for a child an appropriate living environment. They're saying that, even with a healthy, loving relationship between the parents, it would not be a healthy arrangement for any child. It's not a discriminatory issue--it's one about what is best for the child. I'm not agreeing or disagreeing--just clarifying.

Well then I guess my quote in my previous post:

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You think a child will have more issues if he or she is bounced around and neglected by heterosexual couples than if he or she has to take a bit of flak from his or her schoolmates? You really believe that?

is more relevant to the topic.