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Magnetonium
Dubstep = Douchestep
Registered: Sep 2001
Location: Port Burwell, Ontario, Canada
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Re: Re: Re: Palestinian Troops Kill 12-year-old Palestinian Boy
| quote: | Originally posted by Flotser
There is no single Israeli soldier currently in GAZA,
The only way Israeli security forces can enter GAZA and arrest him is by entering with massive force and a wide backup of tanks and helicopters - do you really want that? I guess you are slightly not aware of the reality in GAZA.
Since 1993 peace talks the Palestinians have their own security forces\weapons\jails etc ... to handle their internal issues. |
Yes, I am aware of that. I wasnt denying that Hamas and Fath are settling issues, I came to this thread for a different point to settle, see my next paragraph below
| quote: | Originally posted by Yoepus
Actually, if you believe the news article terrorist killed this boy in their infighting... and guess who Israelis kill??
Yup, thats right! Terrorists!
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I came to this thread to illustrate a point - Dopey's obvious lies and double standards. I pwned him by asking forensic and video proof of the boy's death linking him to Hamas, which he obviously cant get because there isnt any. He denied that Israelis killed the girl from the other thread because there's no forensic evidence or videotape footage that proved it. I said this time and time and time and time again (I hate repeating myself - why you guys make stupid points???)
I know Hamas is no angel. I noticed that there's strong anti-Palestinian sentiment going on this forum. I know both Palestinians and Jews have killed each other and still do. What really bugs me is that Israeli murders of civilians are OK and cannot be proven and didnt happen, yet Palestinian radicals are solely for the blame for both ALL Palestinians civilian deaths and Israeli civilian dead. Thats bullshit. I only merely wanted to show that Israeli are actually the bigger murderers because they have killed many more innocent civilians and have illegally forced out hundreds of thousands of Palestinians without ever ever issuing a formal apology (or any kind of "regretful" comments for that matter) or even paying compensation, not even talking about their return to THEIR lands. I mean, Jews got their compensation in World War II, right? Its been nearly 60 years for Palestinian compensation and interest is rising.
But most of you pro-American pro-Israeli dont understand that. Please dont make me repeat my points or I'll be forced to copy and paste or calling bad names ;-)
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Fir3start3r
Armin Acolyte
Registered: Oct 2001
Location: Toronto, ON, Canada
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| quote: | Originally posted by tathi
i agree with you, it is the "greatest" army in the middle east (receiving billions of dollars in funding from the US) and the IDF has abused this vast power it has over its enemies time and time again...why? because it can. Whenever their is a vast disparity between two powers at war history shows that for the underdog to have any chance of not being completely subjugated and oppressed it has to resort to different tactics like Guerrilla Warefare and Terrorism. Nelson Mandella was a terrorist, the founding fathers of the USA were terorrists against the Brittish, the extremist jewish group Irgun (i think thats the name) resorted to terrorism by blowing up the King David Hotel in the Brittish Mandate of Palestine. Its your classic David and Goliath legend: Israel is Goliath, a bully that lords over weaker people because he can. |
That sounds so romantic doesn't it?
David vs. Goliath; I mean, who doesn't want to root for the underdog?
I'm not being sarcastic, that just seems to be the general overtone in a lot of Israel vs. Palestine threads.
My question would be then, what's keeping Israel from just rolling over everyone then? I'm sure they could push pretty damn far they wanted and have already proved that in the past and then recoiled.
On a more positive note:
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Israeli-Palestinian Leaders Reaffirm Commitment to Dialogue
Davos, Switzerland, 25 January 2007 – Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas and Israeli Vice-Prime Minister and Minister of Foreign Affairs Tzipi Livni today reiterated their commitment to finding a two-state solution and to resuming long-stalled negotiations.
"The Middle East is in dire need of peace and the Palestinian-Israeli conflict is one of the most serious conflicts that requires a solution," President Abbas told the World Economic Forum Annual Meeting 2007. "Dialogue between nations and different sectors of society will lead to peace."
Noting previous agreements signed with Israel, as well as other peace initiatives, such as the UN-sponsored Road Map, President Abbas called for resuming negotiations that will ultimately lead to a Palestinian state.
"What is required now is for us to trace the beginning and the end of this peace process," he said. "Our hand remains outstretched to start the negotiation process. Fear and despair must be replaced by hope and forgiveness. Nothing is more important than peace … for our children."
Vice-Prime Minister Livni reciprocated the call to seek peace for future generations.
"Our responsibility is to give them hope, this is something we owe them," Livni said after viewing with the Davos participants several filmed messages of peace from young Israelis and Palestinians in Jerusalem, Ramallah and Tel Aviv.
"If what can come out of this is a promise to generations to come that we will take all the measures to bring peace to our region."
Livni, like Abbas, also envisions a two-state solution to the conflict, but asked what the best way is to achieve this goal. She reaffirmed Israel's commitment to the Road Map, but said that the current Palestinian government must fulfil its part of the agreement, including the acceptance of Israel's right to exist and the renouncement of terrorism.
"There is a Palestinian state at the end of the process, but the terrorism must be dismantled," Livni stressed. "This is a step-by-step process but gives a political horizon."
She added that in order to realize the two-state vision, moderates on both sides need to fight against the extremists that want to destroy it.
"I know there is an expectation to see us advancing," Livni said. "I know it's not easy … but we want to negotiate, to talk, to share ideas and to find common denominators."
Adding to the discussion, former Israeli Prime Minister Shimon Peres said that the problems are solvable and appealed to the international business community to invest in the region, particularly in a proposed shared economic zone between Israel, Jordan and the Palestinian Territories. "Companies are looking for emerging markets," Peres said "If you are global you must be interested in the globality of peace."
Closing the session, Klaus Schwab, Founder and Executive Chairman, World Economic Forum, said that Peres' appeal to investors is already being answered, announcing that the Forum is in the advanced stage of creating an Israeli-Palestinian business council to stimulate foreign investment. "We have heard from the young people the expectations of hope … we have heard from the leaders," Schwab said. "I hope we all join the efforts to find a lasting solution."
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Jan-30-2007 02:55
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Magnetonium
Dubstep = Douchestep
Registered: Sep 2001
Location: Port Burwell, Ontario, Canada
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| quote: | Originally posted by Fir3start3r
My question would be then, what's keeping Israel from just rolling over everyone then? I'm sure they could push pretty damn far they wanted and have already proved that in the past and then recoiled.
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Because:
a) Arab states can squeeze oil like they did in 1973 war
b) Arab states are much bigger, more populated, have huge stockpiles of weapons, a lot of money (Saudis, Kuwait, United Arab Emirates, Libya, etc.) and thus good dimplomacy with them is essential for Israel's survival. They will not be able to wage a protracted war against them all for long. Not without direct US military intervention (troops) which USA barely has enough for Iraq alone.
c) Israel doesnt have enough troops to commit to war against primary Arab states like Egypt, Syria.
d) Israel does face a lot of international pressure and they dont want to look as aggressors, though in Second Lebanese War of last year this option was proven wrong ;-)
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