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Originally posted by kernkraft so, which one is better: Holden - Intentionally Left Blank vs. John Cage - 4'33" ?

Cage wins by default for actually having sounds in it.

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I work in a foundry and hate this song as it reminds me too much of that shit-hole of a workplace.

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Originally posted by thoughtlessjex 4'33" has been hijacked and turned into the schlock it is by the pop music system.

Very much so.

Alot of music artists today like to put these so called "silent pieces" into recordings, onto albums for example - making it all pseudo-artistic and ostentatious.

4'33's purpose of sonic absorption and enviromental fidelity is now just another quick way to make you look cool omgz.

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" I have nothing to say and I am saying it and that is poetry as I need "
American composer John Cage on his aesthetic of silence

Finally a post from someone who knows the 4.33 composition

Download that track, it rocks

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Originally posted by Siesta Finally a post from someone who knows the 4.33 composition Download that track, it rocks

I downloaded it from beatport but there was nothing there.

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Originally posted by chesco I downloaded it from beatport but there was nothing there.

It's meant to be heard live. In a concert hall, by a full orchestra performing to the effect of sitting and doing nothing for the allotted time.

Yeppp, classic track




choooonnnnnn,


besides that...leaving aside this "art" thing...this is just 20th century non-sense.Lets not forget the classical musicians who loved their music, pioneered mind-blowing and complex music and developed music theory itself. And all these, not always in the comfort of "high society living-rooms" as we all may thing, but in many times, in conditions of extreme poverty where unfortunately, some of them had treated and exchanged their masterfull music for a piece of bread or an extremely small amount of money, and eventually have died poor and disgraced (e.g. vivaldi). These individuals-the true pioneers and artists, probably roll on their graves as we praise this..."modern", "pioneering" stuff and forget them as "conventional-musicians".


In my opinion, art has to convey some sort of aesthetics, not just "messages". I think a famous modern piece of art was a toilet with something written on it, but thats just bullshit (literally!) in my opinion and not art, since there is nothing aesthetic in a dirty toilet, the same way there is nothing aesthetic in a noisy sound or in a silent period which is praised as "pioneering modern art".

In simple words...

"MODERN-ART my ARSE"

Fountain, Marcel Duchamp, 1917

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Originally posted by PETRAN besides that...leaving aside this "art" thing...this is just 20th century non-sense.Lets not forget the classical musicians who loved their music, pioneered mind-blowing and complex music and developed music theory itself. And all these, not always in the comfort of "high society living-rooms" as we all may thing, but in many times, in conditions of extreme poverty where unfortunately, some of them had treated and exchanged their masterfull music for a piece of bread or an extremely small amount of money, and eventually have died poor and disgraced (e.g. vivaldi). These individuals-the true pioneers and artists, probably roll on their graves as we praise this..."modern", "pioneering" stuff and forget them as "conventional-musicians". In my opinion, art has to convey some sort of aesthetics, not just "messages". I think a famous modern piece of art was a toilet with something written on it, but thats just bullshit (literally!) in my opinion and not art, since there is nothing aesthetic in a dirty toilet, the same way there is nothing aesthetic in a noisy sound or in a silent period which is praised as "pioneering modern art". In simple words... "MODERN-ART my ARSE"

Pisses you off, doesn't it?

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I think people who thing discuss the possibility that it takes "something" to be art and claim to make art are funny

/kicks dirt

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Fortuna Favet Fortibus.

No sillier than discussing what makes something good or bad art.

[And saying that something is "not art" may sometimes be a kind of code for saying, 'Somebody may be presenting it as art, but I don't care for it.']

Interesting note;

Brian Eno claims to have taken a piss in Duchamp's fountain.