sorry if i come across harsh, i kind of have a pet hate for krk rps

home stereo subs might be rated to go down to like 40hz or something but we all know how far they'll really go

you have valid points, i guess the sub vs. not sub is a matter of oppinion and i'm highly oppinionated! i knew clubs cut highs, but wasnt sure about the bass. on that note, how low do typical PA's go?

i have my mackie hr824s are hooked up to some random Velodyne CHT sub.. and i don't care what anyone says theyre staying that way, the hr824s have no bass my old computer speakers from 5 years with a sub have better bass. before i got the sub i was overloading the 824's all the time just trying to hear the bass loud.

sure not as nice as getting the hrs-120 sub thats matched for them.. but thats another grand.. someday maybe. ive gotten used to it and thats what matters.. i also have a foot pedal for turning the sub on/off.

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Originally posted by rulzz its not heard its felt

Only if you can drive a 20hz tone with a high enough amplitude and this of course depends entirely on whether the low frequency driver (or more appropriately sub woofer) can handle the reflex. Most nearfield monitors with low frequency drivers that are 8 inchs in diameter and smaller could not reproduce a 20hz tone - not to any noticeable degree anyway - even if the manufacturer claims the monitor has a frequency response that goes down to 20hz.

Doesn't matter if you have a 1000watt power amp behind it (you would most likely destroy the driver trying to do this so I wouldn't).

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high frequencies kill your hearing not bass

Absolutely wrong. Low frequency sound at high amplitude is just as bad for your ears but in a different way. Any sort of sound, irrespective of frequency at a high enough amplitude will start to destroy parts of the inner ear - the scillia will go first. Pain threshold is a different story. You will probably find high frequency sound more intolerable at for very high amplitude but to suggest this is damaging to your ear and a high amplitude 200hz tone isnt is just wrong. Just synthesize a 200hz tone in something like soundforge and slowly increase the gain. It wont take long before your ears fecking cane.

Hell you could do this with a lower frequency tone, but your monitors would struggle to reproduce it acurately beyond a certain point because the woofer excursion will start to become so great you may even blow the driver. Mostly a problem with drivers and amps that aren't matched well.

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So I've been reading up in reviews and whatnot, would it be overkill to go for the TR-8's instead of the TR-6's in my untreated room? Just as a side note, you can hear kinda nasty "fluttering" reverb or delay when i yell or clap in the room, if that makes any difference.

I just got the tr8's,
they fucking OWN, bass is flat as hell.
It was either tr8s or the maudio bxa8's but I didnt like the high end on them, but the tr8's kick so much ass.. the bass hole is in the front so it doesnt matter how close you have them to a wall, in fact they can even be inside a wall...
get the tr8s, you wont regret it.

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Originally posted by cocaine white So I've been reading up in reviews and whatnot, would it be overkill to go for the TR-8's instead of the TR-6's in my untreated room? Just as a side note, you can hear kinda nasty "fluttering" reverb or delay when i yell or clap in the room, if that makes any difference.

Would the 6.5 inch cone give you any more clarity at lower levels? If so, would it be significant enough that you could get away without any sound treatment? I doubt that either one would be true in this case, so I believe that it comes down to the 35Hz vs. 45Hz bass response. Chances are you'll low-cut the capabilities of the TR-8, or it might not even be enough if your work will be heard in a theater or else were as it was stated before.

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Shit dude, if you clap in your room and theres an echo you need to sort out the acoustics in your room. Depending on the material of the wall surfaces you will probably get bass standing waves if you punch out low frequency sound at high enough amplitude. I know that in my old room, I got terrible bass standing waves from my Dynaudio BM5as (quoted as having a frequency response that extends to 50hz). This I think was due mostly to the fact that my room was small, one wall was hollow and one of my speakers was about 4 inches from a side wall.

I never really thought they sounded right until I moved house. Now I'm in a much bigger room and can put my monitors far away from walls. And all the walls are solid and I have 2 bass traps. Now they sound fairly sweet.

But really, if you play your speakers in a tiled bathroom, you may as well be mixing with a short plate reverb on everything.

Its a bit like mics - 90% of the sound you get is what the source sounds like in your room. Now I am beginning to think that if you want to get a great monitoring/instrument recording setup - more of your money should go into treating the room as opposed to going on the gear.