A class war? Well it's a matter of perspective of course...but to the vast majority of people the answer is most definately NO!

There are people in this country who are much, much, MUCH richer than me, but I could never consider myself "at war" with any of them unless they physically had a chain around my neck and were using theft and violence to achieve their goals. The only institution that comes close to this description today is our government....not the millionaire businessman with a "help wanted" in his window.

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Originally posted by Marc Summers So, there isn't a class war in the United States?

There's always been a 'class war' of some sort in the world ever since humanity was running around in skins and a sharp stick was high tech, thinking its only endemic to the united states is quite quaint. It's in our nature to just assert ourselves in the world in some form as a way of finding where we fit in and belong in society.
It's called ambition.
Even if its mostly harmless or part of survival everyone has some degree of ambition to feather their nest and even if they don't desire offspring, want a little better than the year before to make it more comfortable. Somewhere deep down inside it's wired into us as surely as we have cognitive thought, just is that old friend, green eyed jealousy I suppose.

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Originally posted by Capitalizt Ah good point. The way I see it...Voluntary collectivism is perfectly fine, and should be encouraged whenever possible! It's the "class war" ideology (and the central planning that comes with it) that does the most damage to humanity. Cooperation and altruism on a voluntary basis is a beautiful thing.

But then again you could argue that to some extent that 'voluntary collectivism' is the product of centuries of government and society semi-forced socialism. It has been present for so many years that it has been ingrained into the cultures. Take japan for example, it may be voluntary collectivism now, but in the past not accepting said collectivism would have ostracized you and you would've run into a lot of trouble. To some extent the move towards voluntary collectivism has to have at least some incentive be it negative or positive.

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Orbax At that point you kind of crossed the rubicon and you might as well lay siege to Rome