Wow you're so good I'm not even daring to reply on that one.
To bad this post and the previous one weren't relevant in any way, which is what I was aiming at.

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ie: Playing/performing live sets. There seems to be nothing about the subject... so, hands up who plays live trance? What do you use? Software, hardware, hybrid? Purely 100% your work? Drop in a few remixes? Any comments, advice, thoughts etc.

There is no answer other than the artists' preference and the goal.
There are one man live shows (Guissepe Ottaviani, forcesupreme), 2 men (Varian), and entire bands with singers (Chicane).

First of all it comes down to what you use, a lot of hardware? Then it is a possibility to take it all on the road and start a band/live show.

Lot's of software? A one or 2 man gig would probably be your thing. You don't go walking around syncing ten computers which should be controlled induvidually , 2/3 is doable.

I think Guisseppe Ottianni used a small mixer to switch between 2 synced laptops running Ableton live. He had a novation supernova keyboard with which he controlled both ableton effects but also his synth itself. He played live on the synth backed up by the pc's .
I think he only played his own works/remixes.

When I saw Varian at a live gig they played own tracks/remixes too (running ableton live as well).

I think Forcesupreme(/Oliver Shine/Peter Horrevorts) did a live act which was mostly hardware based.

Chicane only did own music, but his act really is a band, doing all kinds of things live at the same time which was amazing .

There are way to many possibilities to lay down here. It's about what you're aiming for... A band? or a one-man live show? Based on that you can do further on what the possibilities might be.

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If less is more think about how much more more would be. -Frasier

hmmz ive seen alot of live shit done but never really in the trance genre been drum and bass and say experimental/hardcore area but then again when you dont live somewhere that trance was popular you wont see it. well thing is you can have multiple things mixed witha g roup say midi controlled vstis using multiple controllers and it being entirely improved and then having drum machine and someone running it and then someone doing effects routing/mixing. it really is all about creativity and using it to form artistic things.... btw the comment was mostly aimed at the simple fact that you missed my point. honestly id rather pay to watch a live act instead of a dj reguardless of the genre simply becuase i enjoy it such as seeing infected mushroom live is something else.

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Ableton Live isn't playing live. Playing trance live is sitting down @ the keyboard.

It may sound a little close-minded, but trance music really isn't for live play. It's more a producing art rather than a live art. I mean its like the difference between movies and plays.

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I'm sure Rank 1 and several other groups play their stuff live, as in pre made sounds but play the main melodies which would be hard to do, then add something extra just for the live performance.

http://www.id-t.com/videoarchief.php - check their video out in this list.

When I first heard electronic music house/trance set I always thought they were made live lol

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Also there was this amazing live set I had where they played doctor who theme tune live...really cant remember who it was...

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Sweet I found it Orbital Live at Glastonbury - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7RlIZywxNQ

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Actually the one I had was trance not break beat like this : /

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Originally posted by DJSentinel Ableton Live isn't playing live. Playing trance live is sitting down @ the keyboard.

So what you're saying is, even though they have a midi keyboard triggering plugins and notes, they don't play live?
Ableton isn't limited to just using pre-recorded material you know...

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It may sound a little close-minded, but trance music really isn't for live play. It's more a producing art rather than a live art. I mean its like the difference between movies and plays.

Would you care to elaborate? I don't understand the comparison.

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Just reread it it's a perfect comparison. Just like how they don't do live sitcoms and stuff anymore.

Why don't people play rap beats live with 2 MPC's hooked up together? Rap is another kind of music where it just wouldn't work live..

the only way i'd see it more impressive than djing is if it's all played live, with like 5 or 6 keyboards. otherwise it's just PRETEND.

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Originally posted by mysticalninja Why don't people play rap beats live with 2 MPC's hooked up together? Rap is another kind of music where it just wouldn't work live..

Ummmm... Rap started out live. There are still live shows with live bands, at least among the underground MCs.

And what's this about trance not being a live music? Trance is [i]easier[\i] live, especially with Abelton. You who describe trance as "perfect computer music" are forgetting the most important part of the music: it entrances. Trance is a continuous piece of music that changes slowly and shifts themes as dictated by mood, and gains energy as dictated by the crowd's eagerness to dance.

Traditionally, when a DJ links two songs together, 80-98% of the time, you can tell. The beat changes, the synths change without any kind of transition or morphing, the style changes because of differences between creative processes of artists. To actually mix several songs by several different artists, and still manage to create a coherent, yet slowly changing trance environment is so difficult that most, if not all DJs give up on it more often than not.

With live performance, the artist can ensure that style shifts are few and subtle by directly controlling the pace and time at which the style changes. He makes sure that themes of his own creation blend as he sees fit, and he can control the pace of the set to match the moods of the crowd. All of a sudden, one has control over what elements change when, how they change, how they interact, and all at the touch of a button, at least compared to the work required for live DJing.

Yes, trance involves fast, repetitive, multilayered arpeggios and patterns that are generally beyond the ability of the average human being, and those can be prerecorded and played back in such a way that the artist still has control over it. When need be, the artist can directly input his own melodies and effects on the spot.

The PA's control over the sounds that come out and when they come out is so much greater than that of the DJ, and in this way, a PA can more effectively create an entrancing night. This is what trance is about, not perfect arpeggios and computers and robots.

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Rap started out with DJ's and EmCee's ... beats were never made live. Show me one video of someone playing their MPC live at a concert with an EmCee or any other sampler.. The music was played by DJ's.. just like trance.

Some of your guys views on trance and djing are really just fantasys..

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To actually mix several songs by several different artists, and still manage to create a coherent, yet slowly changing trance environment is so difficult that most, if not all DJs give up on it more often than not.

And I'm glad they have.. my biggest problem with trance is the slow ass boring transitions all the djs make inbetween songs. Fills most mixes up with like 50% crap.

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