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Stu Cox
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Beautiful Stu, Eric would be proud.


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Anal Log?


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Stu Cox
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Originally posted by Zoso
Go to the Wikipedia link for more reading:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analog_vs._Digital

By all means use that as one point of view, but as the talk page says the article is pretty poorly written and a lot of the information is unfounded and seems to be assumed, rather than verified as accurate.


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quote:
Originally posted by andydavey
Beautiful Stu, Eric would be proud.



HAHAHA

I think he should get a ban for mentioning the cross correlation function though, wanker

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Originally posted by IpLaYWiTLiGhTs
Bitrate?


Not at all, bitrate only gives you an idea of an mp3s quality. Different mp3 encoders will give you different percieved audio quality for the same bitrate. And anyway, if you seriously want to compare digital and analogue you should be using wavs, not compressed mp3s etc.


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Zoso
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quote:
Originally posted by Stu Cox
By all means use that as one point of view, but as the talk page says the article is pretty poorly written and a lot of the information is unfounded and seems to be assumed, rather than verified as accurate.


Good point. I was simply trying to give the OP a nod in the Wikipedia direction, as it seems to go overlooked as a starting point more often than not. I didn't mean to imply that the link was the gospel on the subject. Sorry if that is now it came across.

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Stu Cox
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HAHAHA

I think he should get a ban for mentioning the cross correlation function though, wanker

cunt


At least it is actually relevant... maybe you should get a ban for know what the fuck I'm talking about Dave


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Stu Cox
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quote:
Originally posted by Zoso
Good point. I was simply trying to give the OP a nod in the Wikipedia direction, as it seems to go overlooked as a starting point more often than not. I didn't mean to imply that the link was the gospel on the subject. Sorry if that is now it came across.

Don't get me wrong, if it wasn't for Wikipedia I'd be failing my degree even more than I am

You just have to be careful... you obviously know this, I'm just making sure anyone else who reads this thread is a little bit cautious, although there is still some good info in that article.


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In terms of what sounds best it's definately in the ears of the beholder.

The way that actual wave forms work are different, if this makes a big over all difference on a dance floor is debatable.

The one thing that I have found noticable even in quality MP3s is that the encoding process is not as kind to the bass in a track as it is to the high end.

MP3 takes out parts that it does not feel is necessary to the overall signal and naturally as something is removed you are going to get deteriation in sound.

Anything that is digital is going to be broken up in tiny fragments that sound as one when they are played back. This is true also for Wav but not for analogue, which in theory should be a continuous wave form depending on the source given that the majority of studios these days have digital somewhere in the process.

A lot of people will joke and say that our music is digital anyway but that's slightly missunderstood as it doesn't quite work that way.

As stated before, anytime you encode something the source material is critical and needs to be of the highest quality possible.

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Well the whole "it's all digitally produced music" "kind of" does apply... of course mastering a track changes the sound significantly... but the reality is, we ARE playing digitally produced music...

As others have said, one is not better than the other if either is done properly.

It is a sad fact that we are today using MP3 as a defacto standard. Sure it sounds "pretty good" at 320Kbps, but WHY settle for pretty good?

We take snapshots using 8 mega pixel digital cameras (and view them on our iPods), but can't be bothered to use music formats with greater bitrates than CD-quality (which was developed in the 1970's)? CDJ's should support SACD/DVD Audio, and sites like Beatport should offer higher bitrate (than CD's) quality files compressed with lossless codecs.

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Originally posted by Nemesis44
In terms of what sounds best it's definately in the ears of the beholder.

The way that actual wave forms work are different, if this makes a big over all difference on a dance floor is debatable.

The one thing that I have found noticable even in quality MP3s is that the encoding process is not as kind to the bass in a track as it is to the high end.

MP3 takes out parts that it does not feel is necessary to the overall signal and naturally as something is removed you are going to get deteriation in sound.

Anything that is digital is going to be broken up in tiny fragments that sound as one when they are played back. This is true also for Wav but not for analogue, which in theory should be a continuous wave form depending on the source given that the majority of studios these days have digital somewhere in the process.

A lot of people will joke and say that our music is digital anyway but that's slightly missunderstood as it doesn't quite work that way.

As stated before, anytime you encode something the source material is critical and needs to be of the highest quality possible.

Cheers
Nem

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quote:
Originally posted by Ryan0751
Well the whole "it's all digitally produced music" "kind of" does apply... of course mastering a track changes the sound significantly... but the reality is, we ARE playing digitally produced music...

As others have said, one is not better than the other if either is done properly.

It is a sad fact that we are today using MP3 as a defacto standard. Sure it sounds "pretty good" at 320Kbps, but WHY settle for pretty good?

We take snapshots using 8 mega pixel digital cameras (and view them on our iPods), but can't be bothered to use music formats with greater bitrates than CD-quality (which was developed in the 1970's)? CDJ's should support SACD/DVD Audio, and sites like Beatport should offer higher bitrate (than CD's) quality files compressed with lossless codecs.


Well digitally produced or not, it's straight from the source.

Ultimately I'm still a vinyl fan and in my ears this sounds the best to me. I belive I can hear the difference both in a club and definately at home. I probably didn't make that clear in my post.

I am not really a big fan of MP3 but do believe that Wav or better is good enough. Sadly I am forced to play MP3 more often in terms of availability of music.


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