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Originally posted by occrider Teehee yes. That's where we went wrong ... provoking question for years to come.

say what you will about him and he's a lot of things but feckless Bush is not.

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Originally posted by Q5echo why you people had to vote these feckless idiots will remain the question for years to come.

It seems the majority of the country forgets just how incompetent the democrats are every 10 years or so. Then they give them a chance, which they fail miserably at, and they are again replaced by a Republican majority.

If Clinton had the nuts to do something besides fire a few cruise missiles at al-qaeda we may have never had 9/11.

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r Probably because the Vietnam protesters didn't have two smoking towers to look at over their shoulders while doing it... ...and that's not an insult btw...

Enlighten me on how Iraq had anything to do with 9/11...

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Originally posted by Justkillingtime Enlighten me on how Iraq had anything to do with 9/11...

It doesn't and I never made any claims of the kind

I was merely pointing out the protestors' perspective between Vietnam and, "The War on Terror" protestors.

Although I can kind of see why you'd think that

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Originally posted by Q5echo how do you infer that? i mean i'm pretty sure how you do it, but what have you brought us that begs the question?

Your refusal to address any of the problems Sy brought up - namely the strange conflict of interest of helping fund the very Sunnis who've attacked and killed the vast majority of our troops. Are you willing to address that problem?

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nothing i see but Sy's opinion. brilliant!

Which has a historically accurate weight of opinion. I liken him to Novak at times - I may not like what Novak says sometimes, and he has an obvious Republican slant, but he's got a very good inside track with very good sources in the same manner as Sy does.

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did you know Sunni radicals would love to see the House of Saud evicerated?

And yet the very real possibility still exists that we are funding those who are killing our troops. How does that negate that possibility? Furthermore, you agree with that possibility as much when you again reiterate:

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it's all about the nukes man.

How can you in one breath attempt to discredit Hersh, when you turn around and give an explanation like this to confirm the rationale of us funding the Sunnis, the very thing which Hersh is reporting?

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how would your party deal with that in '09? you think you're up to it?

I'm not running in the party (just in case you forgot). But if I were I would suggest they follow the Bush advisory Iraq Study Group report. Attempt a bit more of a diplomatic tact with the surrounding countries as opposed to covert and illegal funding without the knowledge of Congress. And speaking of which, I'd get Congress a bit more involved in the process and seek their council, rather than attempt to run the entire program almost entirely out of the Executive Branch the way this current Administration is doing.
I'd also consider a phased withdrawal to put pressure on the Iraqi government to stand up for themselves, rather than continual reliance on the American military for their police work, something which our military was not designed to perform in the first place. I would also consider properly training our military and making sure they are properly protected prior to sending them to battle, unlike this current President is doing.

I would also do a better job at protecting and maintaining our war veterans and make sure debacles like the mess at Walter Reed will not happen again, as well as maintain proper insurance and care for all mental and physical necessities of our veterans. These events should all be priorities, and $ should not be an issue as I see these latter issues as nonpartisan. There are a great many improvements that can and should be made here.

That's a short list off the top of my head between classes. Whether or not the Dems., Republicans, or whoever concedes and follows these policies I really don't know. I can only hope that the Dems. understand RIGHT NOW why they were voted into the majority. If they do not, well then it's their majority to lose.

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Originally posted by Q5echo it's either because they don't have an intellectual leg to stand on or they don't have enough cojones. who knows really.

I'm inclined to think the latter right now.

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pretty damn weak though. you should be proud.

I'm not, which is why I'm complaining here and to my elected representatives.

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why you people had to vote these feckless idiots will remain the question for years to come.

I think Occ covered it best. You really think that's the binding issue for years to come, well, my goodness the ignorance is utterly breathtaking.

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Originally posted by XaNaX It seems the majority of the country forgets just how incompetent the democrats are every 10 years or so. Then they give them a chance, which they fail miserably at, and they are again replaced by a Republican majority.

Ahh yes, that must mean things went just so gosh darn swimmingly over the past 6 years, doesn't it? I mean, what was the American public thinking?

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If Clinton had the nuts to do something besides fire a few cruise missiles at al-qaeda we may have never had 9/11.

And if Bush and Cheney had a worthy neuron or two to take Clinton's pleas to do more against al Qaeda once they were in office rather than deliberately blow off that threat, a similar argument could also be made now couldn't it?

What part of "bin Laden determined to strike the U.S." is difficult to understand for you and this idiot President?

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