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Originally posted by erdega So all those lies, all those military bases , all that death and desctuction was just a theatre of war or what ? Remember they've done that to Serbia few years ago and we are faring far worse than Iraqis. Iraqis have understood from the start that they are the targets and will lose all of the basic rights under oocupation and the occupation forces will be accountable to no one and the only way to regain those rights is by retaliation and resistance . When someone occupies you under the pretext of lies and deadly sanctions before that , they are nothing but your deadly enemy. Americans knew that but their arrogance of millitary supremacy got the better of them which was inspired by their pyrrhic victory over Serbia

...don't know if you've been following current events or not but the country itself has killed more of it's own than the Americans have...

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And for what ? They didn't come there to keep peace but to occupy , get oil and get military bases and now it's all about saving themselves because for 4 years they can't establish military control. Saddam in comparison was keeping that place in much better control but I gather this is none of your interest

Occupy??
Are you mad?

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I guess Americans would really love to have local puppets represent them and to forgive them sanctions, lies and naked aggression and allow them to build their bases and exploit iraqi oil for themselves but that's not going to happen obviously and those people in US who call for withdrawal have now realized that

It's more like, the Americans were wrong in guessing that Iraq could handle their own people after being under the thumb of Saddam for so long (or so it looks).
Now they find themselves in a baby-sitting job no one wants. Liberty is obviously a foreign concept to these people and they want no part of it.

They did it for the oil! They did it for the oil!! Bang that drum!!!
There's no doubt the oil was to be used to help pay for the large overhead of this operation otherwise they wouldn't have bothered and simply bombed them into a glass bowl. Ok, not a glass bowl but they certainly wouldn't have committed that amount of ground forces without some way to pay for it. That's just basic military 101 planning I would think so I don't understand why people continue to use that point as some 'support' for an argument.
Need an example? How about Rwanda...

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