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misterpink
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Marc Summers
Could you post some numbers to support this, please?

before 9/11 gas - 65-70 cents
after 9/11 gas - 80-100 cents

eighty billion litres of gas sold since 9/11.


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Old Post Mar-03-2007 05:55  Canada
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Magnetonium
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Registered: Sep 2001
Location: Port Burwell, Ontario, Canada




Aaaaa, Ii cant sleeep. I managd to find some random artices quick, I mean, you can easily find this shit al over the place:

Exxon Mobil sets profit record
http://money.cnn.com/2006/01/30/new...es/exxon_earns/

War profiteering
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.ph...ar_profiteering

PRESENTING ARMS: THE IRAQ WAR & THE U.S. WEAPONS INDUSTRY - LISTING THE BIG PLAYERS
http://www.corp-research.org/archives/apr03.htm

U.S. Contractors Reap the Windfalls of Post-War Reconstruction
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/1030-10.htm

Halliburton Makes a Killing on Iraq War
http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=6008

The Profits of War: Reconstruction in Iraq
http://towardfreedom.com/home/content/view/790/1/

And while I am at it, for the fun of it:



THE INDEPENDENT - Future of Iraq: The spoils of war
How the West will make a killing on Iraqi oil riches
http://news.independent.co.uk/world...icle2132569.ece

Global Policy Forum.org - Oil in Iraq FEATURING THESE DOCUMENTS:
Iraq Oil Lobbying – Comments on the Confidential Document (July 14, 2006)
James Paul sifts carefully through the document to discover details of a secret lobbying meeting in London in May 2003, just two months after the Coalition ousted Saddam Hussein. Top managers of BHP Billiton meet with Australian Foreign Minister Alexander Downer and former UK Foreign Secretary Malcolm Rifkind to plan their strategy to gain control of Iraq’s huge Halfayah oil field. Participants see Washington handing out the contracts – not the Iraqis – and they worry that an Australian bid, even with Anglo-Dutch Shell as a partner, may not win sufficient favor with the Pentagon.

An example of a shady government lobbying after Iraqi invasion to acquire rights to Iraq oil:

http://www.globalpolicy.org/securit...onfidential.pdf

above file was on:
http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/oil/irqindx.htm

Confidential Government Document on Iraq Oil Lobbying by Australian Firm (May 20, 2003)
This ministry cable provides a record of conversations in May 2003 between the Australian Minister for Foreign Affairs and Trade, several executives of Australia’s biggest company and former UK Foreign Minister Sir Malcolm Rifkind. At issue was control of a large oilfield in Iraq. According to these minutes, the Anglo-Australian mining company was planning to “register an early bid” with the US government to “secure the Halfayah field investment” in partnership with Anglo-Dutch oil giant Shell. The cable refers to other negotiations by major oil companies for Iraq’s biggest fields. The talks, which occurred in London, took place just two months after the Australians joined the UK and the US in the invasion of Iraq and shortly before the US president prematurely declared “victory.” Though relatively brief, the document is very rich in evidence about the role of oil in the war and corporate and government maneuvers to line up the spoils. Participants clearly considered that the US would mainly control the division of the oil, rather than any future Iraqi government. (Australian Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade) See GPF's commentary.
Click here to view the original document from the website of the Cole Inquiry.

Monitoring Policy Making at the United Nations
http://www.globalpolicy.org/securit...rudedesigns.htm

etc.etc.etc.etc.


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pmoisse
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Registered: Oct 2001
Location: Amsterdam, NL (formerly Montreal QC)

Osama is spinning a special acid techno set in my basement tonight.

serious!

I don't even know wtf to think about this shit anymore. Part of me thinks he's long dead, but that news of his death hasn't been reported. Another part thinks he's sipping tea in Riyadh with his old buddies, or in Pakistan, or hell, maybe even walking the streets of Kabul with a slightly different appearance.

I dunno, I think that had the military efforts been focussed 100% on Afghanistan (instead of doing anything with Iraq before finishing the job in Afghanistan) the story today would be a lot more positive for everyone involved.

But, wtf do I know. Nobody will ever know the real details behind any of the shit that's gone down in the last 6 years, and it's a damned shame.

Old Post Mar-03-2007 20:04  Canada
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Marc Summers
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Location: New York, USA

quote:
Originally posted by misterpink
before 9/11 gas - 65-70 cents
after 9/11 gas - 80-100 cents

eighty billion litres of gas sold since 9/11.


This occurred because oil companies like to take advantage of oil dependent countries, not because of any war.

Magnetonium, The facts that you show aren't really that convincing. Yes, we all know that Halliburton was given the contract bid because Dick Cheney was part of the company, is that REALLY that shocking? Politics is all about connections, and Cheney used his connection. Everything you show is just standard corporate greed, and not a part of some large "Profit conspiracy". Of course, corporate greed is never good, but it happens, if you are that concerned, do something about it.


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Magnetonium
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Registered: Sep 2001
Location: Port Burwell, Ontario, Canada

quote:
Originally posted by Marc Summers
This occurred because oil companies like to take advantage of oil dependent countries, not because of any war.

Magnetonium, The facts that you show aren't really that convincing. Yes, we all know that Halliburton was given the contract bid because Dick Cheney was part of the company, is that REALLY that shocking? Politics is all about connections, and Cheney used his connection. Everything you show is just standard corporate greed, and not a part of some large "Profit conspiracy". Of course, corporate greed is never good, but it happens, if you are that concerned, do something about it.


You are just ignorant. What does your reponse have anything to do with your own original question? I mean, first you asked for proof, no you say you're not surprised at all and tell me to do something about it. Thats not the discussion here, I am for the hundredth time stating how American companies have lobbied and profiteered from the war in Iraq, which was not an accident. And not a conspiracy, because its ppretty dam obvious.


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Old Post Mar-04-2007 17:19  Canada
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