What I've noticed on the Xone 92 is that they are smaller and pretty tight together... but very high quality. It's still a different feel than the 2016 or 1620 (both of which I've played on out).

I've thought about getting the 2016 myself... the only thing holding me back is the install requirement.

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Originally posted by hooj1 demark, how do you like the rotary kit on the 800? i love rotaries which is why i have the 2016, but i like the flexibility of the 800.

Ryan0751, what i did for the install was, i got the measurements online and went to the hardware store and made a wooden box for it. by the time i was done the mixer finally arrived and it fit perfectly.
only took a few days and about 20 bucks

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Very nice

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Originally posted by hooj1 Ryan0751, what i did for the install was, i got the measurements online and went to the hardware store and made a wooden box for it. by the time i was done the mixer finally arrived and it fit perfectly. only took a few days and about 20 bucks

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Originally posted by Ryan0751 . It's a great mixer, but a niche item. It has to be installed in a console or rack, and really has NO features to speak of.

Less is more in this case - its simplicity is what made it amazing

Lost art to being able to mix- and i mean REALLY mix and blend.
Give 90% of djs a urei today and they wouldnt have a fucking clue how to use it as 'its got no x fader or eqs or fx, or split cue blah blah'
Bollocks

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Originally posted by hooj1 demark, how do you like the rotary kit on the 800? i love rotaries which is why i have the 2016, but i like the flexibility of the 800.

Love it. I mix trance & progressive so for me it's all about smooth blends. The knobs have a nice tight feel and the volume curve is very linear. They may not be as wide as the Rane's but they're still big and have good spacing between them. I can't imagine putting the sliders back in. I even removed the crossfader so nothing gets in the way.

The filters are great and being able to combine two filters at once, plus mess with the eq's really gives you so many options you can't do with the Rane & Urei. Granted you can get external effects (when I had my rane I used a Kaoss Pad) but having everything all together is great. Plus the layout of the mixer is nice and clean. You get familiar with it real fast and that's when good things start to happen

The rane does sound a bit warmer, but in my opinion the overall clarity of the 800 is hard to beat.

yea the 800 is very clean. i love playing on it and i've started to think i might sell the rane and get the pio rotary.
i just wasn't sure about the quality of the pots.

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Do NOT sell the Rane and get the Pioneer... are you nuts?

Ask any pro sound engineer which mixer they prefer, and you already made the right decision.

You could consider the Xone maybe, but not the Pio.

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Originally posted by hooj1 yea the 800 is very clean. i love playing on it and i've started to think i might sell the rane and get the pio rotary. i just wasn't sure about the quality of the pots.

yea i know.
i already had a A&H xone. i just like messin around with the pio fx.

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Originally posted by Freak Less is more in this case - its simplicity is what made it amazing Lost art to being able to mix- and i mean REALLY mix and blend. Give 90% of djs a urei today and they wouldnt have a fucking clue how to use it as 'its got no x fader or eqs or fx, or split cue blah blah' Bollocks

That's true.

However that 90% is the DJ Market. It doesn't matter what the remaining 10% uses because, they are not buying the latest equipment.

My first encounter with the Original UREI 2016 was back in 1995, and learned how blend on mixers that offered a single bass and trebile control at the master output. You have guys that go through mixers every year, and I have mixers that are 20+ years old in perfect condition.

I fall under the 10% and, know if companies waited on guys like myself to upgrade they would've closed shop years ago.

Many (Not All) DJs today are looking for the easy way out, and the companies are full-filling their requests. It's the sign of the times and, you and I cannot stop that. At 27, I cannot expect a 15 year old DJ not wanting all the bells and whistles on a mixer. I felt the same way as they did when I was their age.

We also need to consider that many DJs don't, only spin House/Trance Music and need a Crossfader. This has been addressed many of times on this forum. In NYC, there are no radio stations playing Dance Music. They play only Hip Hop which the majority of he market wants. The minority that are not Hip Hop heads, and rather hear Dance Music, are not looked upon as far as Radio is concerned.

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Originally posted by Freak Less is more in this case - its simplicity is what made it amazing Lost art to being able to mix- and i mean REALLY mix and blend. Give 90% of djs a urei today and they wouldnt have a fucking clue how to use it as 'its got no x fader or eqs or fx, or split cue blah blah' Bollocks

i do agree. half the time on my rane i never use the eq. i guess its an old school thang.
the mixer i learned on never had eq's and i used that for three years.

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Originally posted by OMNIFEX That's true. However that 90% is the DJ Market. It doesn't matter what the remaining 10% uses because, they are not buying the latest equipment. My first encounter with the Original UREI 2016 was back in 1995, and learned how blend on mixers that offered a single bass and trebile control at the master output. You have guys that go through mixers every year, and I have mixers that are 20+ years old in perfect condition. I fall under the 10% and, know if companies waited on guys like myself to upgrade they would've closed shop years ago. Many (Not All) DJs today are looking for the easy way out, and the companies are full-filling their requests. It's the sign of the times and, you and I cannot stop that. At 27, I cannot expect a 15 year old DJ not wanting all the bells and whistles on a mixer. I felt the same way as they did when I was their age. We also need to consider that many DJs don't, only spin House/Trance Music and need a Crossfader. This has been addressed many of times on this forum. In NYC, there are no radio stations playing Dance Music. They play only Hip Hop which the majority of he market wants. The minority that are not Hip Hop heads, and rather hear Dance Music, are not looked upon as far as Radio is concerned.

Very true
I was just playing devils advocate

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Originally posted by Ryan0751 Do NOT sell the Rane and get the Pioneer... are you nuts? Ask any pro sound engineer which mixer they prefer, and you already made the right decision. You could consider the Xone maybe, but not the Pio.

I agree 100% that the sound quality of the Rane is top notch, and is standard equipment in many high end clubs. However ... to say the Pio is not worth considering is not, I believe, a fair statement. The 800 is 24bit/96kHz, has very good sounding internal effects, and rotary knobs as an option.

Pioneer mixers of the past have not been rated highly and if anyone has mixed on them it's very clear why. But with the 800, Pioneer really went back to the drawing board and put out an excellent, studio & club worthy mixer.

We can go back and forth forever and I've owned Rane's so I'm a huge fan, but I don't believe the Pio is not worth considering when you take into account the tech specs, features, and price point compared to the Rane, A&H, and Urei.