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Originally posted by kr00t0n Dude, trance stopped being 'hypnotic' years ago, with or without vocals. You want more hypnotic stuff, buy some goa/psy, trance is just not like that any more.

yea true and i still do listen to alot of this stuff, i think the hypnotic stuff really stopped with ferry corsten and all these artists but it still felt like trance imo even if it wasnt as repetetive or "hypnotic"

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Originally posted by kr00t0n trance is just not like that any more.

True 'ting....

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Originally posted by SMC I don't doubt that many artists actually do that. But it can still end up sounding like they've done the other way around because it's not to be taken for granted that the track turns out to be more than decent just because a good procedure has been followed, there is so much more to writing music. That's why a remix that utilizes existing vocals can be much better than an original work, because the important things are the musical ideas.

thats why many delerium songs are some of my favourites even though they have alot of lyrics.

i personally like vocals on tracks but only if they fit and compliment the music. some sound like they're just thrown on there for the sake of it or for comercial interests. riva-stringer comes to mind which i kinda liked before the other minouge slaugtered it with pointless dribble. i really couldnt understand why they added a vocal for that but i guess getting in the top40 and an extra couple of £££ made the difference.

what i really hate is that pop-dance stuff which really is slowed down happy hardcore and then people mistake it for or label it as trance!!!

sometimes you can put vocals on a track that fit and dont particularly have much meaning or even make sense but if it compliments the music around it then it sounds good. sometimes adding a vocal can act like another synth layer and enhance the tune, othertimes it can completely ruin the record (vocal mix of "040 - dreams" comes to mind)

I love vocal trance, discovering more and more tunes these days

Right now one of my fav. has got to be:

Kreo - Burn For You

Personally I don't like vocal music, that's the reason I practically never listen to the radio, there's too much vocal crap on it.

Regarding vocals in trance music it's my opinion that most of the times the vocals don't fit the music and are even superfluous. I don't even consider a lot of those so cald vocal trance tunes to be trance. If you listen to some of AvB's vocal tracks, than I'm hearing more of a pop tune than a trance tune. It's that evoltion that concerns me a lot and makes me sad. Typical trance producers (like AvB) aren't producing trance any longer, they're producing pop music for commercial succes ...

Vocals add an element to music that prevents it from remaining purely aesthetic. When you have someone singing in there, it forces the listener to interpret the song a certain way due to the message or story conveyed by the lyrics - as cheesy as they may be, they can give a song a different feel. This is why I've always liked EDM and Classical - both genres are known for there pure aesthetic qualities rather than a bunch of pretty voices singing cheesy ballads about relationships or whatever. Just the music, please - stop bitching around with tracks.

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